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Covid caused this group to be a dead group (practically)
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D***@decadence.org
2021-02-05 02:53:18 UTC
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I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
gamo
2021-02-05 04:40:13 UTC
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Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.
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Jonathan N. Little
2021-02-05 13:55:23 UTC
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Post by gamo
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.
Busy upgrading servers and systems from 16.04 to 20.04. BTW Oracle
getting MySql 'Prophecy of Doom' is realized with v5.7 to 8.0
breakage-a-thon... Need motivation for MySql to MariaDb migration? Well
this is it!
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Bit Twister
2021-02-05 14:45:05 UTC
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Post by Jonathan N. Little
Busy upgrading servers and systems from 16.04 to 20.04. BTW Oracle
getting MySql 'Prophecy of Doom' is realized with v5.7 to 8.0
breakage-a-thon... Need motivation for MySql to MariaDb migration?
Be aware that MariaDb requires stronger user passwords. See
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28289
Bug 28289 - mythtv: mc.sql ERROR 1819 (HY000) at line 2:
/usr/share/mythtv/initialdb/mc.sql needs password correcting
Jonathan N. Little
2021-02-05 15:29:36 UTC
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Post by Bit Twister
Post by Jonathan N. Little
Busy upgrading servers and systems from 16.04 to 20.04. BTW Oracle
getting MySql 'Prophecy of Doom' is realized with v5.7 to 8.0
breakage-a-thon... Need motivation for MySql to MariaDb migration?
Be aware that MariaDb requires stronger user passwords. See
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28289
/usr/share/mythtv/initialdb/mc.sql needs password correcting
Good to know. Well U 20.04 is using version 10.3.x so this must apply to
a newer version. Well definitely break the library's Koha install in the
future... But we are still not talking about the breakage from MySql 5.7
to 8.0.
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Bobbie Sellers
2021-02-05 15:53:57 UTC
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Post by gamo
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.
No no Gamo, Incomprehensibility is a feature for the
Enterprises as the the people who do the work will not mess
with the IT's work.PCLinuxOS 64 just works as well, and so does
Linux Lite and quite a few others. Latest Puppy is just fine.

bliss age 83
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gamo
2021-02-07 19:02:29 UTC
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Post by gamo
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.
    No no Gamo, Incomprehensibility is a feature for the
Enterprises as the the people who do the work will not mess
with the IT's work.PCLinuxOS 64 just works as well, and so does
Linux Lite and quite a few others.  Latest Puppy is just fine.
    bliss age 83
Ok, but new computers are sold just to run more fancy interfaces.
Not just now. Gnome 40 seems to be more or less the same, more
beautiful. People will like it and others don't.

I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
line. Just one line. Now you are doing more or less the same
using an entire screen.
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Anssi Saari
2021-02-08 07:13:05 UTC
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Post by gamo
I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
line. Just one line.
That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
design into emails with that system though.
gamo
2021-02-10 05:41:47 UTC
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Post by Anssi Saari
Post by gamo
I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
line. Just one line.
That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
design into emails with that system though.
Sure. You have to strip down things. Anyone here use mutt?
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Anssi Saari
2021-02-10 11:53:11 UTC
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Post by gamo
Post by Anssi Saari
Post by gamo
I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
line. Just one line.
That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
design into emails with that system though.
Sure. You have to strip down things. Anyone here use mutt?
Yep, especially for spam filter adjustments. I use Bogofilter as a spam
filter and it's worth it to feed misses to it to improve the
filtering. Although I'm not getting much in the way of spam anyways
these days. I guess the address harvesting is done outside of Usenet and
IRC now.
gamo
2021-02-10 14:57:31 UTC
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Post by Anssi Saari
Post by gamo
Post by Anssi Saari
Post by gamo
I remember the time in which you can send an email in the command
line. Just one line.
That time hasn't gone, it's still entirely doable. A little hard to put
design into emails with that system though.
Sure. You have to strip down things. Anyone here use mutt?
Yep, especially for spam filter adjustments. I use Bogofilter as a spam
filter and it's worth it to feed misses to it to improve the
filtering. Although I'm not getting much in the way of spam anyways
these days. I guess the address harvesting is done outside of Usenet and
IRC now.
I have a book about the passed spam wave, "SPAM NATION", but does not
have much technical details.
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Bobbie Sellers
2021-02-18 20:44:55 UTC
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Post by gamo
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys...  being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Ub 20.04 happen to be pretty damn well done, so no errors, no shit in
your face... by the system. I mean... I don't really want to talk
good about systemd, but at least it works. Maybe one day it could
be comprensible and usable, before it upgrade to a next version.
About 20.04 yes.
Post by gamo
The Ubuntu team have issued a hot fix for the recently released
Ubuntu 20.04.2 media. The new fix, called 20.04.2.0, corrects an issue
where the Ubiquity system installer could fail to properly install the
Linux kernel on a new system. "Shortly after the release of Ubuntu
20.04.2, on Thursday February 4 2021, a regression was discovered which
means that on certain systems and under certain specific conditions the
Ubuntu installer can fail to install a Linux kernel. This renders the
system unable to boot. After carefully analyzing the impact of this
regression, the release team took the decision to reissue images of
20.04.2 with a corrected version of the installer. These images are now
available, versioned as 20.04.2.0." Details on the bug and affected
Ubuntu community flavours can be found in this mailing list post.

You can read about it yourself at the Distrowatch Weekly newsletter.
<https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?pollnumber=293&myaction=NewVote&issue=20210215&newvote=4#poll>

About systemd: No you do not need it to have a
working Linux computer.
Check for Devuan and get a KDE Desktop Environment. or
you could emulate this poster and move PCLinuxOS64,
a "rolling release" that is a bit old-fashioned in some
respects but a great learning experience but neither is
using systemd. You also can try out MX-Linux, AntiX Linux,
Puppy and a few others.

I can see that there might be a need for such as
systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
all I do but mostly.

bliss -I have an athletic Nose! It runs in all weathers...
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Henry Crun
2021-02-19 05:44:46 UTC
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On 18/02/2021 22:44, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

more relevant material snipped...
    bliss -I have an athletic Nose! It runs in all weathers...
recalled from a long-distant schooltime youth:

Does your nose run and your feet smell? You must be upside down.
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Bud Frede
2021-02-28 19:55:11 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
I can see that there might be a need for such as
systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
all I do but mostly.
I prefer systemd on my personal computers - or at least on those that
don't use launchd. :-)

I feel that systemd works well for both servers and for personal
computers. It works well on the various Raspberry Pi's that I have
running at home too.

The only thing that I'm running right now that doesn't use systemd or an
equivalent is my firewall, which runs on HardenedBSD.
Bobbie Sellers
2021-03-01 01:22:50 UTC
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Post by Bud Frede
Post by Bobbie Sellers
I can see that there might be a need for such as
systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
all I do but mostly.
I prefer systemd on my personal computers - or at least on those that
don't use launchd. :-)
I feel that systemd works well for both servers and for personal
computers. It works well on the various Raspberry Pi's that I have
running at home too.
The only thing that I'm running right now that doesn't use systemd or an
equivalent is my firewall, which runs on HardenedBSD.
And how does systemd contribute to your use of the computer?
I see that you use HardenedBSD so I doubt it contributes to your security.
bliss
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Bud Frede
2021-03-02 10:04:18 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Bud Frede
Post by Bobbie Sellers
I can see that there might be a need for such as
systemd in enterprise distributions like Red Hat but fail
to see any use for it in personal computing which is not
all I do but mostly.
I prefer systemd on my personal computers - or at least on those that
don't use launchd. :-)
I feel that systemd works well for both servers and for personal
computers. It works well on the various Raspberry Pi's that I have
running at home too.
The only thing that I'm running right now that doesn't use systemd or an
equivalent is my firewall, which runs on HardenedBSD.
And how does systemd contribute to your use of the computer?
I see that you use HardenedBSD so I doubt it contributes to your security.
bliss
It's far easier to use and more feature-rich than the hodge-podge of
init scripts we had before. Upstart had some good features, but I still
needed to use things like daemontools, god, or supervisord.

Here's an example of how systemd helps me:

I regularly work with an app that needs access to its data files when
starting up. It can use init scripts or systemd and not all environments
have switched to using systemd for this yet. (They're mission-critical
production environments, so the people that run them are very
conservative when it comes to making changes.)

Some of those environments use NFS for some of this app's data
files. With init scripts starting this app, the app will start up even
if there isn't any network connectivity. "Bad things happen" when it
starts up with missing data files.

Systemd prevents this by not letting the app start unless it has what it
needs. Dependencies have to be met before systemd will start the app.

Another example if that the mechanisms for controlling services are now
the same from distro to distro. In the past each distro had its own set
of init scripts, with different options, etc. It was a PITA to deal with
it all. I find it much easier to work with multiple distros now, and to
understand how they boot and manage services.

A lot of the peripherals we use today are hot-plug. We have high-speed
connections like USB available and don't have to permanently plug things
in to the motherboard as much as we used to. Our use of hardware is more
fluid, and systemd manages this far better than init scripts ever did.

As for security, it's now easier to manage services and understand how
my systems boot, so I'd say that security is improved with systemd.

My firewall running HardenedBSD doesn't necessarily say anything about
systemd or my use of it and Linux on various systems. Firewalls have
different requirements than a typical desktop or server. In addition,
there are some very good firewall packages that do use systemd. I just
happen to use one that runs on BSD.

The major drawback to systemd is that it requires us to learn something
new. In my case, I need to learn new things all the time anyway, and as
for systemd, I started putting my time in with it years ago, so it's not
an issue.

The way I see systemd is that it's basically all upside and no real
downside at this point. Why wouldn't I want to use it?

Francis S
2021-02-05 04:40:54 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems to be
pretty clear of that.
jjb
2021-02-05 07:59:09 UTC
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Post by Francis S
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems to be
pretty clear of that.
Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not REALLY a
dead group...
jjb, age 72
Henry Crun
2021-02-05 08:26:32 UTC
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Post by jjb
Post by Francis S
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems to be
pretty clear of that.
Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not REALLY a
dead group...
jjb, age 72
... young whipper-snapper
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D***@decadence.org
2021-02-05 14:45:30 UTC
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Post by Henry Crun
Post by jjb
Post by Francis S
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
should mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
to be pretty clear of that.
Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
REALLY a dead group...
jjb, age 72
... young whipper-snapper

D***@decadence.org
2021-02-05 14:43:30 UTC
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Post by jjb
Post by Francis S
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
should mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
to be pretty clear of that.
Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
REALLY a dead group...
jjb, age 72
60 here. Will ya still need me... will ya still feed me when I'm 64?
Sjouke Burry
2021-02-05 17:17:15 UTC
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Post by D***@decadence.org
Post by jjb
Post by Francis S
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
should mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
to be pretty clear of that.
Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
REALLY a dead group...
jjb, age 72
60 here. Will ya still need me... will ya still feed me when I'm 64?
Only if you sit up and beg/bark......
D***@decadence.org
2021-02-06 14:59:04 UTC
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Post by Sjouke Burry
Post by D***@decadence.org
Post by jjb
Post by Francis S
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC),
Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot
should mean MORE posts, not less!
Could be worse, this group could just be spam. Luckily it seems
to be pretty clear of that.
Even worse, seeing the average age of posters I hope it is not
REALLY a dead group...
jjb, age 72
60 here. Will ya still need me... will ya still feed me when I'm 64?
Only if you sit up and beg/bark......
Better than you, unable to sit up, because you are what exits the
dog's ass.

Thanks for playing though... Nice try, shitlog. You lose.

Maybe think first before you try to make a thread an insult fest.

And I had you on the intelligent person list...
Simon
2021-02-05 20:23:56 UTC
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Subject: Covid caused this group to be a dead group (practically)
It is trolling.

There is little difference in the numbers of posts between 2019 and
2020. While 2019 had significantly fewer posts than 2018, that all
happened before Covid.
I know it isn't true,
It knows that it is trolling.
but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
It knows WHY it is trolling. It wants us to entertain it while it is
stuck at home.
D***@decadence.org
2021-02-06 15:05:31 UTC
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Post by Simon
Subject: Covid caused this group to be a dead group (practically)
It is trolling.
Yet another abject idiot. My reference was to recent posts, not a
year long aggregate claim by a diumbfuck who likely didn't even
examine any real statistics but merely spews forth in an attempt to
insult. A Dipshit, that's what you are. So YOU are the fucking
jackass who likes to spout the T word. As you perform it yourself.
Post by Simon
There is little difference in the numbers of posts between 2019
and 2020. While 2019 had significantly fewer posts than 2018,
that all happened before Covid.
I know it isn't true,
It knows that it is trolling.
It? You are a shit log. That decidedly makes you the it.
Post by Simon
but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
It knows WHY it is trolling. It wants us to entertain it while it
is stuck at home.
No. I want to hit jackas fucktards like you with a curare dart so
we no longer have to see your inane posts, and rest in the knowledge
that you are fully conscious but anabale to lift a finger and just
lay there in your own defecation instead of spewing it into this
group.

If you are a little slow on the uptake, jackass. I just said "Fuck
You", and "FUCK OFF AND DIE".
andrew
2021-02-06 02:10:15 UTC
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Post by D***@decadence.org
I know it isn't true, but damn, guys... being at home a lot should
mean MORE posts, not less!
I have been lurking :)

Andrew
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