Discussion:
Getting Pan Newsreader to Install
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Hal Starke
2010-06-30 17:09:02 UTC
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I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.

Hal
Jon Solberg
2010-06-30 17:35:26 UTC
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Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Yes: provide more details about what you're trying to accomplish. All
our crystal balls are on repair this week you see.

HTH.
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Mike Easter
2010-06-30 17:57:20 UTC
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Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Does that mean that you have installed Pan from the Ub repos and you can
run Pan from the commandline, but that Pan does not appear in the
applications Menu?

Or, does that mean something else, like you don't know how to install
anything? From Synaptic or the Software Center.

When you create a new message question, start with the assumption that
no one else knows what distro you are running or what you have done
already or what you are doing now that isn't working in the way you
expected it to. We also can't guess how much or how little you already
know.
--
Mike Easter
J G Miller
2010-06-30 18:11:19 UTC
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Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications.
Under which menu titled applications?

Have you tried logging out and back in again?

If you just enter the command

pan &

at a shell command line or in a "run this application" box,
what happens?
LSMFT
2010-06-30 23:00:01 UTC
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Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
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LSMFT

I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months.
I don't like to interrupt her.
Little Charlie
2010-06-30 23:42:25 UTC
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Post by LSMFT
Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems..like can't get a news reader to
install, can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..IS..just install -any- version of Windows. Even Windows 95
can do these simple day-to-day tasks effortlessly. Yes..Windows
-fucking- 95!!!


Why do these Linux Lambs keep torturing themselves..it's like a
fucking religion.. a really sick fucking religion..when do you lambs
all meet to drink the poison kool-aid? I want to video that!!!

Little Charlie - Plays the Blues
www.myspace.com/littlecharliesblues
Mike Easter
2010-07-01 00:06:26 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems.
... and you took the time out of your busy day to troll the aolu group
because...?

Maybe some time in the past you had some unhappy linux experience and it
has twisted your little heart and mind into some kind of knot that seeks
retribution that you can only find by taunting the aolu participants.

Perhaps you could turn your tortured soul toward expressing itself in
some soulful music or blues somewhere instead of trolling here.
--
Mike Easter
Little Charlie
2010-07-01 01:08:38 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by Little Charlie
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems.
... and you took the time out of your busy day to troll the aolu group
because...?
Maybe some time in the past you had some unhappy linux experience and it
has twisted your little heart and mind into some kind of knot that seeks
retribution that you can only find by taunting the aolu participants.
Perhaps you could turn your tortured soul toward expressing itself in
some soulful music or blues somewhere instead of trolling here.
Trying to show some light to these blind Linux Lambs. Are you one too?
Do these revelations disturb you? Are you a medical doctor? Can you
help me please wirth my tortured soul and twisted mind? Do you
routinely make cyber housecalls and are your diagnois methods always
done over the internet? It is truly amazing how modern medicine has
eliminated the office visit.

Little Charlie - Plays the Blues
www.myspace.com/littlecharliesblues
Mick
2010-07-01 04:08:34 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
Trying to show some light
Good idea, set yourself on fire!
Cybe R. Wizard
2010-07-01 01:17:01 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:06:26 -0700
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Little Charlie
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems.
... and you took the time out of your busy day to troll the aolu
group because...?
Mike, it's hard for me to actually say this because I don't enjoy
insulting people, but it's because he has no life, no talent, no skills
and no clue.
Post by Mike Easter
Maybe some time in the past you had some unhappy linux experience and
it has twisted your little heart and mind into some kind of knot that
seeks retribution that you can only find by taunting the aolu
participants.
Yes, he was unable to successfully install an Ubuntu system and so he
is hateful and envious of all of us who can do so.

Whether it was because of non-supported hardware or PEBCAC, who knows?

...although I /do/ have my /own/ opinion about why...
Post by Mike Easter
Perhaps you could turn your tortured soul toward expressing itself in
some soulful music or blues somewhere instead of trolling here.
Have you been to his web site and really /listened/ to his 'music'?
It would be better to suggest that he learn some secretarial work.

Cybe R. Wizard
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Registered Ubuntu User # 2136
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
2010-07-01 01:48:33 UTC
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Have you been to his web site and really /listened/ to his 'music'? It
would be better to suggest that he learn some secretarial work.
"Little Charlie has 3 friends." <lol>

More than I would have expected, though...
--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
Little Charlie
2010-07-01 02:35:52 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:48:33 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Have you been to his web site and really /listened/ to his 'music'? It
would be better to suggest that he learn some secretarial work.
"Little Charlie has 3 friends." <lol>
More than I would have expected, though...
Gee..maybe if I used a fake name like you I'd have all the same kinds
of friends you do..anonymous

Little Charlie - Plays the Blues
www.myspace.com/littlecharliesblues
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
2010-07-01 03:36:26 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by Cybe R. Wizard
Have you been to his web site and really /listened/ to his 'music'?
It would be better to suggest that he learn some secretarial work.
"Little Charlie has 3 friends." <lol>
More than I would have expected, though...
Gee..maybe if I used a fake name like you I'd have all the same kinds
of friends you do..anonymous
Ok, I'll use my real name:
Big Beauregard - Plays Southern Funk

(like your birth certificate says 'Little Charlie' ... <lol>
--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
Little Charlie
2010-07-01 02:34:59 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:17:01 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:06:26 -0700
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Little Charlie
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems.
... and you took the time out of your busy day to troll the aolu
group because...?
Mike, it's hard for me to actually say this because I don't enjoy
insulting people, but it's because he has no life, no talent, no skills
and no clue.
Post by Mike Easter
Maybe some time in the past you had some unhappy linux experience and
it has twisted your little heart and mind into some kind of knot that
seeks retribution that you can only find by taunting the aolu
participants.
Yes, he was unable to successfully install an Ubuntu system and so he
is hateful and envious of all of us who can do so.
Whether it was because of non-supported hardware or PEBCAC, who knows?
...although I /do/ have my /own/ opinion about why...
Post by Mike Easter
Perhaps you could turn your tortured soul toward expressing itself in
some soulful music or blues somewhere instead of trolling here.
Have you been to his web site and really /listened/ to his 'music'?
It would be better to suggest that he learn some secretarial work.
Cybe R. Wizard
Thank you for visiting my website and adding to my chart ratings.

Little Charlie - Plays the Blues
www.myspace.com/littlecharliesblues
SINNER
2010-07-02 14:02:25 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by Little Charlie
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems.
... and you took the time out of your busy day to troll the aolu group
because...?
Maybe some time in the past you had some unhappy linux experience and it
has twisted your little heart and mind into some kind of knot that seeks
retribution that you can only find by taunting the aolu participants.
Perhaps you could turn your tortured soul toward expressing itself in
some soulful music or blues somewhere instead of trolling here.
can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..
When he could not get satisfaction he became a troll instead. The irony of
his posts are laughable.
--
David
JEDIDIAH
2010-07-01 01:13:37 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
Post by LSMFT
Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems..like can't get a news reader to
install, can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..IS..just install -any- version of Windows. Even Windows 95
can do these simple day-to-day tasks effortlessly. Yes..Windows
-fucking- 95!!!
...except the little problem of supporting any software made in the
last 10 years. It's a nice little fantasy you've got there but using
Win95 to run iTunes or even VLC might be a bit dicey.
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Little Charlie
2010-07-01 02:34:00 UTC
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Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Little Charlie
Post by LSMFT
Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems..like can't get a news reader to
install, can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..IS..just install -any- version of Windows. Even Windows 95
can do these simple day-to-day tasks effortlessly. Yes..Windows
-fucking- 95!!!
...except the little problem of supporting any software made in the
last 10 years. It's a nice little fantasy you've got there but using
Win95 to run iTunes or even VLC might be a bit dicey.
My comparison was as to 'functionality' i.e. smooth multimedia
ertc..you know, the kinds of stuff Linux -still- cannot do reliably...


Little Charlie - Plays the Blues
www.myspace.com/littlecharliesblues
Gordon
2010-07-01 06:11:17 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Little Charlie
Post by LSMFT
Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems..like can't get a news reader to
install, can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..IS..just install -any- version of Windows. Even Windows 95
can do these simple day-to-day tasks effortlessly. Yes..Windows
-fucking- 95!!!
...except the little problem of supporting any software made in the
last 10 years. It's a nice little fantasy you've got there but using
Win95 to run iTunes or even VLC might be a bit dicey.
My comparison was as to 'functionality' i.e. smooth multimedia
ertc..you know, the kinds of stuff Linux -still- cannot do reliably...
And to think that MythTV is just build on linux and used by people all over
the world.
Mike Yetto
2010-07-01 12:26:19 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
My comparison was as to 'functionality' i.e. smooth multimedia
ertc..you know, the kinds of stuff Linux -still- cannot do reliably...
"ertc"? I don't recognize that acronym.

But more to the point, you probably meant to write "the kinds of
stuff I -still- cannot do reliably, even with Linux". And you
totally forgot to mention how you never figured out what "sig
delimiter" means.

Mike "et cetera, et cetera" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.
Jon Solberg
2010-07-01 12:40:55 UTC
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Post by Mike Yetto
Post by Little Charlie
My comparison was as to 'functionality' i.e. smooth multimedia
ertc..you know, the kinds of stuff Linux -still- cannot do reliably...
"ertc"? I don't recognize that acronym.
But more to the point, you probably meant to write "the kinds of
stuff I -still- cannot do reliably, even with Linux". And you
totally forgot to mention how you never figured out what "sig
delimiter" means.
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*Hemidactylus*
2010-07-01 03:33:57 UTC
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Post by Little Charlie
Post by LSMFT
Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems..like can't get a news reader to
install, can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..IS..just install -any- version of Windows. Even Windows 95
can do these simple day-to-day tasks effortlessly. Yes..Windows
-fucking- 95!!!
Why do these Linux Lambs keep torturing themselves..it's like a
fucking religion.. a really sick fucking religion..when do you lambs
all meet to drink the poison kool-aid? I want to video that!!!
You know I've been thinking about not trying to use Linux anymore. It
just doesn't work for me. I keep attempting to get online and that just
gets nowhere. I can't figure out how to install flash and watch Youtube.
I can't watch DVD's because the codecs are closed and illegal in my
country. I can't figure out how to install and use a newsreader thus I'm
not reading your post nor can I reply to it. I'm going to spend tons of
money on Windows licenses so I can spend more time downloading antivirus
signatures and doing scans and figuring out what Antivirus 2010 is
trying to warn me about on that pop up window that keeps saying I'm
infected a thousand times over and wants me to pay it.

You have made me see the light like that girl on Poltergeist who got
sucked into her Gnome monitor.
HoneyMonster
2010-07-01 04:44:58 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
You have made me see the light like that girl on Poltergeist who got
sucked into her Gnome monitor.
Please don't feed the troll.
Jon Solberg
2010-07-01 08:25:21 UTC
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Post by HoneyMonster
Post by *Hemidactylus*
You have made me see the light like that girl on Poltergeist who got
sucked into her Gnome monitor.
Please don't feed the troll.
I believe you want to say:

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/ \ the trolls |
/ \ \ |
/ _ \ \ ----------------------
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | __||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | /| | --|
| | |// |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ // |
/ _ \\ _ // | /
* / \_ /- | - | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________
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Doug
2010-07-05 19:06:02 UTC
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installing flash is simple, use your synaptic pkg handler
i have been using lucid linx since it was released in april, i think i
like xubuntu more
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Post by Little Charlie
Post by LSMFT
Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Hal
You need GTK and libinit-1.dll to run with Windows.
The 'tip' for all the Linux problems..like can't get a news reader to
install, can't get mp3's to play smoothly and videos run more like a
slide show..IS..just install -any- version of Windows. Even Windows 95
can do these simple day-to-day tasks effortlessly. Yes..Windows
-fucking- 95!!!
Why do these Linux Lambs keep torturing themselves..it's like a
fucking religion.. a really sick fucking religion..when do you lambs
all meet to drink the poison kool-aid? I want to video that!!!
You know I've been thinking about not trying to use Linux anymore. It
just doesn't work for me. I keep attempting to get online and that just
gets nowhere. I can't figure out how to install flash and watch Youtube.
I can't watch DVD's because the codecs are closed and illegal in my
country. I can't figure out how to install and use a newsreader thus I'm
not reading your post nor can I reply to it. I'm going to spend tons of
money on Windows licenses so I can spend more time downloading antivirus
signatures and doing scans and figuring out what Antivirus 2010 is
trying to warn me about on that pop up window that keeps saying I'm
infected a thousand times over and wants me to pay it.
You have made me see the light like that girl on Poltergeist who got
sucked into her Gnome monitor.
Dan C
2010-07-05 23:29:48 UTC
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installing flash is simple, use your synaptic pkg handler i have been
using lucid linx since it was released in april, i think i like xubuntu
more
A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.

Q: Why do so many people object to top posting?

A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to
rather than below it.

Q: What is "top posting"?

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Dirk T. Verbeek
2010-07-01 17:07:10 UTC
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I am a troll
And a bad one :)
Andy <nospam@>
2010-07-01 22:58:16 UTC
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Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
I am a troll
And a bad one :)
Oh, I don't know - he seems to get dozens of replies every time he posts
his nonsense here. Seems a fairly successful troll if anything.
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Dirk T. Verbeek
2010-07-02 11:11:40 UTC
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Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
I am a troll
And a bad one :)
Oh, I don't know - he seems to get dozens of replies every time he posts
his nonsense here. Seems a fairly successful troll if anything.
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
Dan C
2010-07-02 12:50:27 UTC
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Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
I am a troll
And a bad one :)
Oh, I don't know - he seems to get dozens of replies every time he
posts his nonsense here. Seems a fairly successful troll if anything.
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?

Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
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J G Miller
2010-07-02 13:32:22 UTC
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Post by Dan C
an "annalist"?
Nederlands -- analist
Engels -- analyst

Nederlands -- psychiater
Engels -- psychiatrist

A psychiatrist is a physician who specializes in psychiatry.
Dan C
2010-07-02 14:01:15 UTC
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Post by J G Miller
Post by Dan C
an "annalist"?
Nederlands -- analist
Engels -- analyst
Nederlands -- psychiater
Engels -- psychiatrist
A psychiatrist is a physician who specializes in psychiatry.
Yeah. None of those is what he wrote, though.
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J G Miller
2010-07-02 14:41:14 UTC
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Post by Dan C
Yeah. None of those is what he wrote, though.
He was obviously writing "analist" and mistyped two "n"s or thought
that the word was spelt with two "n"s in English.
Dan C
2010-07-03 03:39:07 UTC
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Post by Dan C
Yeah. None of those is what he wrote, though.
He was obviously writing "analist" and mistyped two "n"s or thought that
the word was spelt with two "n"s in English.
I'd have to say the "obviously" is a pretty big assumption.

But I no longer care, so whatever.
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David
2010-07-02 13:33:49 UTC
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Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
I am a troll
And a bad one :)
Oh, I don't know - he seems to get dozens of replies every time he
posts his nonsense here. Seems a fairly successful troll if anything.
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
A writer of annals, actually.

But it's probably just a misspelling of 'analist' ;-)
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
2010-07-02 13:56:30 UTC
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Post by David
Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
A writer of annals, actually.
But it's probably just a misspelling of 'analist' ;-)
..or perhaps of "analyst" ;-)
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-Could. Not. Resist.
David
2010-07-02 21:53:37 UTC
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Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by David
Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
A writer of annals, actually.
But it's probably just a misspelling of 'analist' ;-)
..or perhaps of "analyst" ;-)
You're too charitable. ;-)
--
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John F. Morse
2010-07-03 00:26:20 UTC
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Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by David
Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
A writer of annals, actually.
But it's probably just a misspelling of 'analist' ;-)
..or perhaps of "analyst" ;-)
Maybe trying to subscribe to Anna's mailing list? ;-)
--
John

When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?
Andy <nospam@>
2010-07-03 01:01:33 UTC
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Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by David
Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
A writer of annals, actually.
But it's probably just a misspelling of 'analist' ;-)
..or perhaps of "analyst" ;-)
$ dict annalist
3 definitions found

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Annalist \An"nal*ist\, n. [Cf. F. annaliste.]
A writer of annals.
[1913 Webster]

The monks . . . were the only annalists in those ages.
--Hume.
[1913 Webster]

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

annalist
n : a historian who writes annals

From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 [moby-thes]:

73 Moby Thesaurus words for "annalist":
Boswell, advertising writer, art critic, author, authoress,
autobiographer, autobiographist, belletrist, bibliographer,
biographer, calendar maker, calendarist, chronicler, chronographer,
chronologer, chronologist, clockmaker, coauthor, collaborator,
columnist, compiler, composer, copywriter, creative writer, critic,
dance critic, diarist, drama critic, dramatist, encyclopedist,
essayist, free lance, free-lance writer, genealogist, ghost,
ghostwriter, historian, historiographer, horologist, humorist,
inditer, literary artist, literary craftsman, literary critic,
literary man, litterateur, logographer, magazine writer,
man of letters, memorialist, monographer, music critic,
newspaperman, novelettist, novelist, pamphleteer, penwoman, poet,
prose writer, reviewer, scenario writer, scenarist, scribe,
scriptwriter, short-story writer, storyteller, technical writer,
timekeeper, timer, watchmaker, word painter, wordsmith, writer
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David
2010-07-03 09:19:15 UTC
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Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by David
Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
A writer of annals, actually.
But it's probably just a misspelling of 'analist' ;-)
..or perhaps of "analyst" ;-)
$ dict annalist
3 definitions found
Annalist \An"nal*ist\, n. [Cf. F. annaliste.]
A writer of annals.
[1913 Webster]
The monks . . . were the only annalists in those ages.
--Hume.
[1913 Webster]
annalist
n : a historian who writes annals
73 Moby Thesaurus words for "annalist": Boswell, advertising
writer, art critic, author, authoress, autobiographer,
autobiographist, belletrist, bibliographer, biographer, calendar
maker, calendarist, chronicler, chronographer, chronologer,
chronologist, clockmaker, coauthor, collaborator, columnist,
compiler, composer, copywriter, creative writer, critic, dance
critic, diarist, drama critic, dramatist, encyclopedist,
essayist, free lance, free-lance writer, genealogist, ghost,
ghostwriter, historian, historiographer, horologist, humorist,
inditer, literary artist, literary craftsman, literary critic,
literary man, litterateur, logographer, magazine writer, man of
letters, memorialist, monographer, music critic, newspaperman,
novelettist, novelist, pamphleteer, penwoman, poet, prose
writer, reviewer, scenario writer, scenarist, scribe,
scriptwriter, short-story writer, storyteller, technical writer,
timekeeper, timer, watchmaker, word painter, wordsmith, writer
Yeah, wot I sed.
--
Om Namah Shivaya | Om Katoraya namaha

David - toro-danyo atcost uku fullstop co fullstop uk
http://www.toro-danyo.uku.co.uk/
*Hemidactylus*
2010-07-03 03:48:52 UTC
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Post by Dan C
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
I am a troll
And a bad one :)
Oh, I don't know - he seems to get dozens of replies every time he
posts his nonsense here. Seems a fairly successful troll if anything.
Those (replies) are of his annalist ;)
WTF is an "annalist"?
Wait, nevermind. Don't think I wanna know.
Oh jeez! The annals of this group will never be the same now.
Kevin Safford
2010-07-02 17:20:42 UTC
Permalink
Are the lights on?
Dan C
2010-07-01 00:41:43 UTC
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Post by Hal Starke
I'm having trouble get Pan Newsreader to load and show up under
applications. Any tip will be appericated.
Bugger off and stick with Windoze, Win-droid.
--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
"Bother!" said Pooh, as he puked on Christopher Robin.
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
Thanks, Obama: Loading Image...
T i m
2010-07-01 07:17:31 UTC
Permalink
On 01 Jul 2010 00:41:43 GMT, Dan C <***@lan.invalid>
wrote:

Dan,

On the subject of Pan ...

You know you kindly suggested I create a rule thing under the Pan
that's currently installed by Synaptic (Can't remember the version and
the laptops not here atm) and that worked quite well for highlighting
all posts less than one day old (in lieu of a 'mark new posts in red'
option).

All was going well then that Morse chap tricked me <g> into
'upgrading' to a later version of Pan and whilst it works ok in
general I can't seem to be able to apply your scoring / rule in the
same way (there doesn't seem to be a time field).

Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.

Cheers, T i m
John F. Morse
2010-07-01 11:01:49 UTC
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Post by T i m
Dan,
On the subject of Pan ...
You know you kindly suggested I create a rule thing under the Pan that's
currently installed by Synaptic (Can't remember the version and the
laptops not here atm) and that worked quite well for highlighting all
posts less than one day old (in lieu of a 'mark new posts in red'
option).
All was going well then that Morse chap tricked me <g> into 'upgrading'
to a later version of Pan and whilst it works ok in general I can't seem
to be able to apply your scoring / rule in the same way (there doesn't
seem to be a time field).
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
Cheers, T i m
That was no "trick" Tim.

It was also not a "later version" of Pan.

Pan 0.14.2.91 is an older version than the 0.1xx betas now offered.

I don't know what your scoring rule application is (forgot I guess), but I
do remember you stating something about right-clicking on the message to
create a score.

That does work in Pan 0.14.2.91, which I'm using right now on Ubuntu 8.04
LTS.

Tuesday night I also tested two of the beta Pan versions on two other
computers:

Pan 0.119 (Karma Hunters) from a Debian Etch box, and Pan/0.129 (Benson &
Hedges Moscow Gold) from a Debian Squeeze box.

Both also provided the right-click that opened the create a score window.

I don't see the 0.14.2.91 having any score setting for age in the
right-click "Add to Scorefile" window. But there is a filter "Article is
at least N days old" which could be used to do something with the older
articles.

I just used Synaptic to install Pan 0.133 on an Ubuntu 10.04 computer.

That Pan 0.133 does provide the right-click "New Scoring Rule" which has
an "Age (in days)" field.

This is one of the usual things you need to decide upon according to your
personal desires. Linux is all about choices, and too many sometimes make
the job difficult.

I prefer Pan 0.14.2.91 and do not care about scoring on
dates or age. However you may decide the age of a message is more
important, and need to easily right-click to change a rule.

But it makes me wonder why someone would right-click a message and then
change it when it is already visible, and shouldn't ever reappear?

Maybe Dan will provide the information for the 0.14.2.91 version?
--
John
T i m
2010-07-01 11:48:14 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:01:49 -0500, "John F. Morse"
Post by John F. Morse
Post by T i m
All was going well then that Morse chap tricked me <g> into 'upgrading'
to a later version of Pan and whilst it works ok in general I can't seem
to be able to apply your scoring / rule in the same way (there doesn't
seem to be a time field).
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
That was no "trick" Tim.
I know, hence the <grin>. I was just playing along with our 'Can you
be trusted' theme. ;-)
Post by John F. Morse
It was also not a "later version" of Pan.
Oh, I thought I remembered seeing .13 and this was .14 so I thought
...
Post by John F. Morse
Pan 0.14.2.91 is an older version than the 0.1xx betas now offered.
Ah. ta.
Post by John F. Morse
I don't know what your scoring rule application is (forgot I guess), but I
do remember you stating something about right-clicking on the message to
create a score.
Yes.
Post by John F. Morse
That does work in Pan 0.14.2.91, which I'm using right now on Ubuntu 8.04
LTS.
Indeed, just called something slightly different etc.
Post by John F. Morse
Tuesday night I also tested two of the beta Pan versions on two other
Pan 0.119 (Karma Hunters) from a Debian Etch box, and Pan/0.129 (Benson &
Hedges Moscow Gold) from a Debian Squeeze box.
Ok (ta).
Post by John F. Morse
Both also provided the right-click that opened the create a score window.
Ok.
Post by John F. Morse
I don't see the 0.14.2.91 having any score setting for age in the
right-click "Add to Scorefile" window. But there is a filter "Article is
at least N days old" which could be used to do something with the older
articles.
Ok ...
Post by John F. Morse
I just used Synaptic to install Pan 0.133 on an Ubuntu 10.04 computer.
That Pan 0.133 does provide the right-click "New Scoring Rule" which has
an "Age (in days)" field.
Yup.
Post by John F. Morse
This is one of the usual things you need to decide upon according to your
personal desires. Linux is all about choices, and too many sometimes make
the job difficult.
Understood. However, in this instance a Windows app seems to offer
(me) the flexibility and choice not duplicated in what is offered as
an 'Agent look-alike' under Linux.
Post by John F. Morse
I prefer Pan 0.14.2.91 and do not care about scoring on
dates or age. However you may decide the age of a message is more
important, and need to easily right-click to change a rule.
The right clicking bit isn't the issue (if the different descriptions
between versions lead to the same result), it's the options you get
when you do.
Post by John F. Morse
But it makes me wonder why someone would right-click a message and then
change it when it is already visible, and shouldn't ever reappear?
Right, this was a suggested solution from Dan as (as he admitted) a
bit of a kludge in an effort to get near what I wanted (no 'required')
from a newsreader.The scoring isn't for that individual message but
all message in that particular group and ideally, all my subscribed
groups (But I can't see how I'd set a group catchall wildcard).

What I wanted was to be able to click on 'Get new messages in selected
groups' and have a easy visual confirmation of those new messages. In
Agent this is achieved by highlighting the new message headers (if
collapsed) and / or messages (if thread expanded) in red. This is IN
ADDITION to unread messages being highlighted in bold etc (in my mind,
'unread' and 'new_this_session' are two independent and disparate
features).

Of course I could cope with Pan working as it does as I could probably
cope with any other newsreader under any OS but my 'choice' isn't to
simply cope but have exactly what I want, that works and I'm used to.
[1]

What Dan was able to show me was how to get close to that by
highlighting any new messages 'today' in (say) red and as long as I
only checked the n/g once a day then that worked fine.
Post by John F. Morse
Maybe Dan will provide the information for the 0.14.2.91 version?
It won't be any issue if he can't as I can easily go back to the other
one.

Thanks for looking anyway,

T i m

[1] It seems I'm not alone in liking and not being willing or able to
deal with Usenet without Agent. I believe there are many running it
under WINE or Windows VM's under OSX and Linux because they to like
how it works. If I am to make Linux my default everyday OS then I
would like for it to be able to do (ideally natively) everything I can
currently do under Windows and as easily (so 'easily' doesn't include
having to also run say XP under VB to do something Linux can't). [2]

[2] And I'm not blaming Linux here, but the developers who haven't
made a Linux (or OSX for that matter) version of my most needed apps
and / or where there isn't an acceptable alternative.
John F. Morse
2010-07-02 09:57:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by T i m
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:01:49 -0500, "John F. Morse"
Post by John F. Morse
Post by T i m
All was going well then that Morse chap tricked me <g> into 'upgrading'
to a later version of Pan and whilst it works ok in general I can't seem
to be able to apply your scoring / rule in the same way (there doesn't
seem to be a time field).
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
That was no "trick" Tim.
I know, hence the <grin>. I was just playing along with our 'Can you
be trusted' theme. ;-)
Oh, I noticed the <grin> but thought of Tricky Dick: "Let me make one
thing perfectly clear...."

Or was that Slick Willie?

So I elaborated. ;-)
Post by T i m
Post by John F. Morse
It was also not a "later version" of Pan.
Oh, I thought I remembered seeing .13 and this was .14 so I thought
...
Post by John F. Morse
Pan 0.14.2.91 is an older version than the 0.1xx betas now offered.
His numbering scheme took a turn after 0.14.2.91 when he started over
with 0.nnn (three digits).
Post by T i m
Understood. However, in this instance a Windows app seems to offer
(me) the flexibility and choice not duplicated in what is offered as
an 'Agent look-alike' under Linux.
Pan probably is more a "look-alike" than the others, but we both know
looks are only surface glitz. ;-)

Back when I first got married, ... well ... better not go there! =-O
Post by T i m
Post by John F. Morse
I prefer Pan 0.14.2.91 and do not care about scoring on
dates or age. However you may decide the age of a message is more
important, and need to easily right-click to change a rule.
The right clicking bit isn't the issue (if the different descriptions
between versions lead to the same result), it's the options you get
when you do.
Understood. Once set up you shouldn't ever need to mess with it again.
Post by T i m
Post by John F. Morse
But it makes me wonder why someone would right-click a message and then
change it when it is already visible, and shouldn't ever reappear?
Right, this was a suggested solution from Dan as (as he admitted) a
bit of a kludge in an effort to get near what I wanted (no 'required')
from a newsreader.The scoring isn't for that individual message but
all message in that particular group and ideally, all my subscribed
groups (But I can't see how I'd set a group catchall wildcard).
What I wanted was to be able to click on 'Get new messages in selected
groups' and have a easy visual confirmation of those new messages. In
Agent this is achieved by highlighting the new message headers (if
collapsed) and / or messages (if thread expanded) in red. This is IN
ADDITION to unread messages being highlighted in bold etc (in my mind,
'unread' and 'new_this_session' are two independent and disparate
features).
Of course I could cope with Pan working as it does as I could probably
cope with any other newsreader under any OS but my 'choice' isn't to
simply cope but have exactly what I want, that works and I'm used to.
[1]
What Dan was able to show me was how to get close to that by
highlighting any new messages 'today' in (say) red and as long as I
only checked the n/g once a day then that worked fine.
Post by John F. Morse
Maybe Dan will provide the information for the 0.14.2.91 version?
It won't be any issue if he can't as I can easily go back to the other
one.
Thanks for looking anyway,
You are welcome.
Post by T i m
T i m
[1] It seems I'm not alone in liking and not being willing or able to
deal with Usenet without Agent. I believe there are many running it
under WINE or Windows VM's under OSX and Linux because they to like
how it works. If I am to make Linux my default everyday OS then I
would like for it to be able to do (ideally natively) everything I can
currently do under Windows and as easily (so 'easily' doesn't include
having to also run say XP under VB to do something Linux can't). [2]
[2] And I'm not blaming Linux here, but the developers who haven't
made a Linux (or OSX for that matter) version of my most needed apps
and / or where there isn't an acceptable alternative.
I think I can sum up [1] and [2] by saying: There is NO perfect
newsreader. You use what is the closest to what you want/need.

If you want the "perfect" newsreader, then you need to program it yourself.

An example is the "horrible" (IMHO) Xnews which the author wrote to
satisfy his needs without regard to anybody else. It's perfect for him.
At least until the following day when he woke up and thought about one
more addition he should have programmed.... ;-)

I use Thunderbird most of the time, and many thumb their nose at it.
It's really weak in scoring, but I don't use scoring. I simply plonk
those who are repulsive and go on with out them.

Thunderbird can read and post both ASCII plain text and HTML, and can
handle attachments. These are sometimes useful for me in a couple of
"water-cooler"-type groups where people post vacation pictures, etc.
Others are happy using only text with slrn, tin, rn, Mutt, nn,
Emacs+Gnus, etc. I really don't care that much for slrn, but I do like
to play with tin.

Some of those text-only readers are powerful for scoring, which many may
want. They can also be easily used over a network via ssh, which I have
occasionally done, but not for everyday use. Most users of this group
only have one computer, so a lot of my likes are not understandable by them.

I also run an INN server farm, and have several FQDNs on multiple IPs,
so I do a lot of testing to make sure everything works like it should
from off the LAN, and away from the control of my main LAN DNS server.
Calls from "outside" are required in testing authentication, etc.

Thunderbird has a nice archiving ability (nested directories), which
continue my use from way back in the Netscape days on a Mac, where I
also used MT-NW. I have every message I've ever sent (NNTP and SMTP)
archived for reference.

I've used Agent on Windows, as well as Gravity, and Xnews, but preferred
Netscape Communicator-Mozilla-Thunderbird for my usual day-to-day use.
Agent was my reader-of-choice for the huge MP3 groups. Nothing else
would run. Gravity was somewhat close. Xnews, is, well, Xnews.

On Linux I use Thunderbird (Icedove on Debian), most of the time, but
occasionally Pan when I need to do some utility work. It's just faster
to configure, and using it won't mess up my Thunderbird settings and
newsrc files.

I also like Claws Mail, and would probably use it instead of Thunderbird
if I ever decided to switch. Sylpheed Claws sucked. Be sure to take a
look at Claws Mail if you have the time. I know it supports colorization
of "folders" messages, etc., and it provides powerful filtering. Maybe
something you could use?

Be aware that Claws Mail uses the message storage method maildir (one
file per message) whereas Thunderbird and many others uses the mbox
method (every message in one file, with a database for pointing to the
start of a message). Archiving and fiddling with your messages might
make a difference to you on how they are stored.

XPN is OK except the static time display is not to my liking. I prefer
ISO YYYY-MM-DD instead of "Italian" time, DD-MM-YYYY, used here and
there in Europe, etc. It's just mind-blowing to see "02-07-2010 in July!

The Evolution and Opera newsreaders basically suck.

I don't care for 40Tude Dialog because it is a Windows newsreader. It
requires Wine or using Windows in a VM, something that is rather odd to
do if you are running Linux to avoid all of the problems with Windows.
It looks "Windowsy" but seems to be very powerful. It might be the best
Windows newsreader available, if you don't consider any of the various
Linux/Unix readers that were ported to Windows (Pan, slrn, ...).

For binary downloads on Linux, I haven't found anything better than
Klibido. It probably takes a few KDE libraries to run though, which
might upset a GNOME purist. I run GNOME, but also use quite a few
programs designed for KDE, including KNode, which is a decent
newsreader, but not the "best."

There is just not any such animal.

You will probably wind up like me, using multiple newsreaders, just like
you wouldn't say that any one tool is the best one in your toolbox. ;-)
--
John

When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?
T i m
2010-07-02 14:11:06 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 04:57:09 -0500, "John F. Morse"
Post by John F. Morse
Post by T i m
Post by John F. Morse
Pan 0.14.2.91 is an older version than the 0.1xx betas now offered.
His numbering scheme took a turn after 0.14.2.91 when he started over
with 0.nnn (three digits).
Hehe.
Post by John F. Morse
Post by T i m
Understood. However, in this instance a Windows app seems to offer
(me) the flexibility and choice not duplicated in what is offered as
an 'Agent look-alike' under Linux.
Pan probably is more a "look-alike" than the others, but we both know
looks are only surface glitz. ;-)
I was only quoting the text from Synaptic. I am more interested in
'function alike of course. ;-)
Post by John F. Morse
Back when I first got married, ... well ... better not go there! =-O
;-)
Post by John F. Morse
Post by T i m
The right clicking bit isn't the issue (if the different descriptions
between versions lead to the same result), it's the options you get
when you do.
Understood. Once set up you shouldn't ever need to mess with it again.
That's the idea.
Post by John F. Morse
Post by T i m
[1] It seems I'm not alone in liking and not being willing or able to
deal with Usenet without Agent. I believe there are many running it
under WINE or Windows VM's under OSX and Linux because they to like
how it works. If I am to make Linux my default everyday OS then I
would like for it to be able to do (ideally natively) everything I can
currently do under Windows and as easily (so 'easily' doesn't include
having to also run say XP under VB to do something Linux can't). [2]
[2] And I'm not blaming Linux here, but the developers who haven't
made a Linux (or OSX for that matter) version of my most needed apps
and / or where there isn't an acceptable alternative.
I think I can sum up [1] and [2] by saying: There is NO perfect
newsreader.
<cough> 'Agent' (well, for me anyway and why it's so difficult to
replace).
Post by John F. Morse
You use what is the closest to what you want/need.
Or you what you want / need. And that sorta takes us around again. I
use and like Agent a lot and whilst I could use it under WINE / WinVM
that makes 'it' more complicated, taking away some of the beauty of
it's speed and simplicity
Post by John F. Morse
If you want the "perfect" newsreader, then you need to program it yourself.
See above and pretty well perfect for me out of the box.
Post by John F. Morse
An example is the "horrible" (IMHO) Xnews which the author wrote to
satisfy his needs without regard to anybody else. It's perfect for him.
At least until the following day when he woke up and thought about one
more addition he should have programmed.... ;-)
I've tried quite a few news readers and I find them all either
segmented (especially on OSX with multiple disjointed windows) or so
complicated I couldn't figure them out (and as soon as someone says
"Yes it's very complex and you really need to read the manual" then
I'm off. I use Agent to my needs (inc, multi part binaries etc) and
have never read any manual).
Post by John F. Morse
I use Thunderbird most of the time, and many thumb their nose at it.
It's really weak in scoring, but I don't use scoring. I simply plonk
those who are repulsive and go on with out them.
I don't use scoring or killfiles either. My first experience of
scoring was just recently to try and 'fix' Pan.
Post by John F. Morse
Thunderbird can read and post both ASCII plain text and HTML, and can
handle attachments. These are sometimes useful for me in a couple of
"water-cooler"-type groups where people post vacation pictures, etc.
Ok. I've 'tried' Tbird and whilst I was able to use it I didn't
really like it for that. It's a fine mail client though and has been
mine for years and years.
Post by John F. Morse
Others are happy using only text with slrn, tin, rn, Mutt, nn,
Emacs+Gnus, etc. I really don't care that much for slrn, but I do like
to play with tin.
<T i m imagines "*nix geek pouring over 23" CRT with 453 open
Terminal windows".> ;-)
Post by John F. Morse
Some of those text-only readers are powerful for scoring, which many may
want. They can also be easily used over a network via ssh, which I have
occasionally done, but not for everyday use. Most users of this group
only have one computer, so a lot of my likes are not understandable by them.
Understood. ;-)
<snip>
Post by John F. Morse
I've used Agent on Windows, as well as Gravity, and Xnews, but preferred
Netscape Communicator-Mozilla-Thunderbird for my usual day-to-day use.
Agent was my reader-of-choice for the huge MP3 groups. Nothing else
would run.
I've never had any issues with it at all which of course adds to the
'problem'. Hard act to follow etc.

<snip interesting overview>
Post by John F. Morse
There is just not any such animal.
You will probably wind up like me, using multiple newsreaders,
Or not (unless I can help it etc). ;-(
Post by John F. Morse
just like
you wouldn't say that any one tool is the best one in your toolbox. ;-)
Hmm. I guess it depends on what you expect the tool to do. I want a
news reader that is fast, reliable, logical and works /with/ me. It
has to do all I want it to do and so far (and my needs could be pretty
basic whilst being specific etc) the only such tool is Agent.

To me it is that one tool that does a very specific job but does it
very well. It's a 1/2" sq dr spark plug socket, rather than an
adjustable spanner (wrench).

Cheers, T i m
Mike Easter
2010-07-02 16:35:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by T i m
'Agent'
What is your experience using Agent with Wine?

Agent 6 Wine Wine 1.2rc is rated platinum in the wine db.

Do you have any Ub installed to try Agent and Wine?
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-02 16:42:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
'Agent'
What is your experience using Agent with Wine?
Past a test install and quick run, little.
Post by Mike Easter
Agent 6 Wine Wine 1.2rc is rated platinum in the wine db.
That's good news. I only have V2 here and not sure I like the latest
versions of most things (in case that makes a difference etc), other
than when they make things work better / faster etc (and that's not
always the case).
Post by Mike Easter
Do you have any Ub installed to try Agent and Wine?
Yes, I have and it seems to work ok, however it's (WINE) /another/
layer in the system and I'd prefer to run Pan natively if possible.

Cheers, T i m
Mike Easter
2010-07-02 18:04:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
What is your experience using Agent with Wine?
Past a test install and quick run, little.
Post by Mike Easter
Agent 6 Wine Wine 1.2rc is rated platinum in the wine db.
That's good news. I only have V2 here and not sure I like the latest
versions of most things (in case that makes a difference etc), other
than when they make things work better / faster etc (and that's not
always the case).
Agent 2 was released back in 2004 Feb. That is before the first Warty
Warthog version of Ubuntu. Things change a lot in that period of time.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Do you have any Ub installed to try Agent and Wine?
Yes, I have and it seems to work ok, however it's (WINE) /another/
layer in the system and I'd prefer to run Pan natively if possible.
Yes, but you see, you are posting here with Agent 2 under Windows
because you prefer that environment.

If I preferred the environment of OE6 running under Win98se, which I
did, then that would interfere with my working in a linux environment.

If I am working in a linux environment and I believe/feel that IrfanView
and SamSpade and IDServe and some others are more comfortable to use in
their capacities than any similarly functional linux tools I've found,
then I should use those tools with Wine under linux instead of staying
in windows and using OE and those tools under windows.

Similarly, if you would use Agent under Wine, you would be in linux
instead of Windows. If I had to use Pan in linux, it would inhibit my
use of linux, since I don't use/like Pan when I'm in linux. I have it
installed and I tinker with it, but I don't really like it.
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-02 20:56:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Easter
Agent 2 was released back in 2004 Feb. That is before the first Warty
Warthog version of Ubuntu. Things change a lot in that period of time.
From my experience of later versions, not for the better.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
Post by Mike Easter
Do you have any Ub installed to try Agent and Wine?
Yes, I have and it seems to work ok, however it's (WINE) /another/
layer in the system and I'd prefer to run Pan natively if possible.
Yes, but you see, you are posting here with Agent 2 under Windows
because you prefer that environment.
And I prefer it because I can't get an acceptable alternative. If
there was such a thing then I'd have an actual choice.
Post by Mike Easter
If I preferred the environment of OE6 running under Win98se, which I
did, then that would interfere with my working in a linux environment.
Then it's not a workable solution. My 'preference' isn't out of
choice.
Post by Mike Easter
If I am working in a linux environment and I believe/feel that IrfanView
and SamSpade and IDServe and some others are more comfortable to use in
their capacities than any similarly functional linux tools I've found,
Ok.
Post by Mike Easter
then I should use those tools with Wine under linux instead of staying
in windows and using OE and those tools under windows.
And for you that makes sense, yes. I'm not a developer, have no real
issues with Windows but am seeing if I can find an alternative OS (so
I have a choice) to work as efficiently / easily. In many ways Ubuntu
is already 'better' than Windows, things like the startup speed
(compared with XP especially) and when installing (not something I do
often on my daily machine though) Ubuntu is also (generally) easier
but then there are those things that I can /easily/ get working under
Windows and can't get working /at all/ under Ubuntu (see my later
thread on the TV Tuner card). Part of the reason I can generally get
things working under Windows is because it can be done via the GUI
(intuitive) and because it inevitably comes with the drivers on the CD
(if not auto supported).
Post by Mike Easter
Similarly, if you would use Agent under Wine, you would be in linux
instead of Windows.
Understood. (A question on that and I think I found this (another)
stumbling block when I tried it previously ... what happens to Agent
if I have it open under WINE then 'just' shutdown Ubuntu?)
Post by Mike Easter
If I had to use Pan in linux, it would inhibit my
use of linux, since I don't use/like Pan when I'm in linux.
Ok.
Post by Mike Easter
I have it
installed and I tinker with it, but I don't really like it.
I am quite happy with it but for this (lack of) 'new message
highlighting' thing.


Cheers, T i m
Mike Easter
2010-07-02 21:11:55 UTC
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Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Yes, but you see, you are posting here with Agent 2 under Windows
because you prefer that environment.
am seeing if I can find an alternative OS
Post by Mike Easter
Similarly, if you would use Agent under Wine, you would be in linux
instead of Windows.
Understood. (A question on that and I think I found this (another)
stumbling block when I tried it previously ... what happens to Agent
if I have it open under WINE then 'just' shutdown Ubuntu?)
I guess I don't understand the question. I think if you shutdown Ub,
then Wine and Agent2 and whatever else was open would also shut down.
Post by Mike Easter
I am quite happy with it but for this (lack of) 'new message
highlighting' thing.
If you were so happy with Pan in Ub, you would be posting here in Pan/Ub
instead of Agent2/Win (always).
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-02 21:41:38 UTC
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Post by T i m
Understood. (A question on that and I think I found this (another)
stumbling block when I tried it previously ... what happens to Agent
if I have it open under WINE then 'just' shutdown Ubuntu?)
I guess I don't understand the question. I think if you shutdown Ub,
then Wine and Agent2 and whatever else was open would also shut down.
If that's 'shuts down cleanly' then that's fine. ;-)
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
I am quite happy with it but for this (lack of) 'new message
highlighting' thing.
If you were so happy with Pan in Ub, you would be posting here in Pan/Ub
instead of Agent2/Win (always).
But I'm not happy, I just said, '.. happy BUT FOR ..'?

And even if the Pan issue was resolved another biggie under Linux
would be the Garmin Mapsource application. Then the lack of full
functional support for MSN, with file transfer and voice / cam support
etc (but I'd be happy to hear if there was), stuff I use every day.

I guess I would also have to forgone the daily automatic backup from
my WHS (and configure a replacement manually) and probably a myriad of
things I haven't remembered or don't yet realise are 'issues' .

Although sometimes these things do come to those who wait. ;-)


Cheers, T i m
Mike Easter
2010-07-02 22:32:40 UTC
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Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
I think if you shutdown Ub,
then Wine and Agent2 and whatever else was open would also shut down.
If that's 'shuts down cleanly' then that's fine. ;-)
This/That seems like a bogus non-issue.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
If you were so happy with Pan in Ub, you would be posting here in Pan/Ub
instead of Agent2/Win (always).
But I'm not happy, I just said, '.. happy BUT FOR ..'?
That's why your answer to not using Agent under Wine in Ub is bogus.
Post by Mike Easter
And even if the Pan issue was resolved another biggie under Linux
would be the Garmin Mapsource application.
But 'we' aren't using the Garmin app. *WE* are having a conversation in
this newsgroup right now. You could be doing that in Agent2WineUb but
you aren't.
Post by Mike Easter
the lack of full
functional support for MSN,
my WHS
blah blah blah.

I'm not 'asking' you to give up everything you do in Windows. I'm
suggesting that you have given zero plausible explanation for not
participating in this newsgroup in UbAgent.
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-02 23:47:41 UTC
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Post by T i m
If that's 'shuts down cleanly' then that's fine. ;-)
This/That seems like a bogus non-issue.
No, that's an answer to a question I was asking. If I was to run Agent
under WINE and 'just shut down Ubuntu' I wasn't sure how it would
handle it. If you say 'well' then that's ok.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
Post by Mike Easter
If you were so happy with Pan in Ub, you would be posting here in Pan/Ub
instead of Agent2/Win (always).
But I'm not happy, I just said, '.. happy BUT FOR ..'?
That's why your answer to not using Agent under Wine in Ub is bogus.
No, that's why my reason for not using Pan in Ubuntu is valid.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
And even if the Pan issue was resolved another biggie under Linux
would be the Garmin Mapsource application.
But 'we' aren't using the Garmin app. *WE* are having a conversation in
this newsgroup right now. You could be doing that in Agent2WineUb but
you aren't.
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need with no issues /what so ever/, why would I
want to dump that to go to something unknown that is unlikely to do
the same?

What I have done though is install it on several 'spare' machines,
machines I can pick up and use as / when I feel in a playing mood. To
that end I installed it on my Wife's PC this morning (because she has
enough spare space on her drive) but she actually can't use it under
Ubuntu (yet) because she uses her PC as a TV and I can't make the TV
card work. Any idea what the solution might be (info in a latter post,
done on Ubuntu using Pan), you know, if you actually want to help
rather than trying to pick holes in my current choice of OS /
Newsreader? I mean, it's not like I've tried to hide anything is it?

If you /need/ to tow a trailer and you haven't got a towbar on your
car it's no use 'in general' and most of us can't afford / justify to
have another car just to do the towing.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
the lack of full
functional support for MSN,
my WHS
blah blah blah.
Discount them if you like but I would much rather you put up some
viable solutions to my 'issues' than playing this silly game. If you
don't have the answers (because you don't or they simply don't exist)
that's fine, no answer will do.
Post by Mike Easter
I'm not 'asking' you to give up everything you do in Windows.
Never assumed you were.
Post by Mike Easter
I'm
suggesting that you have given zero plausible explanation for not
participating in this newsgroup in UbAgent.
Ah, so /that/ is your actual agenda is it <sigh>. Right, I don't
/have/ to give such a explanation to you or anyone as no one has as
yet demonstrated any such requirement exists (outside their own
fantasy's).

HTH (but I doubt it will).

Cheers, T i m
Mike Easter
2010-07-03 00:18:30 UTC
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Mike Easter
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need with no issues /what so ever/, why would I
want to dump that to go to something unknown that is unlikely to do
the same?
You said you were interested in using Ub. If you were actually
sufficiently interested, you would be using it more. You would be able
to adjust to/ cope with/ surmount/ these very very minor little bumps.
Post by Mike Easter
What I have done though is install it on several 'spare' machines,
machines I can pick up and use as / when I feel in a playing mood.
Yabbut, it needs to be a lot closer to what you are doing right now and
all the time.

Over the years when I was doing 99% of stuff in Win98 as I mentioned, I
found various ways to do some stuff in linuxes. First I dual-booted,
but that wasn't convenient enough to suit me.

Next I started 'flipping' with a KVM. I tend to keep my old computers
around for a long time. Right now I am 'surrounded' by old cheap
computers, 2 towers per keyboard/mouse/video.

You don't need to surround yourself, you just need two towers connected
to your one monitor-kb-mouse. Then you can flip back and forth between
windows and ubuntu with wine and agent.
Post by Mike Easter
To
that end I installed it on my Wife's PC this morning (because she has
enough spare space on her drive) but she actually can't use it under
Ubuntu (yet) because she uses her PC as a TV and I can't make the TV
card work. Any idea what the solution might be (info in a latter post,
done on Ubuntu using Pan),
I don't even know what the question is yet.
Post by Mike Easter
you know, if you actually want to help
rather than trying to pick holes in my current choice of OS /
Newsreader? I mean, it's not like I've tried to hide anything is it?
I'm helping I'm helping.
Post by Mike Easter
If you /need/ to tow a trailer and you haven't got a towbar on your
car it's no use 'in general' and most of us can't afford / justify to
have another car just to do the towing.
No, you get/use one of those bumper-mounted trailer hitch things rather
than no towing.
Post by Mike Easter
I would much rather you put up some
viable solutions to my 'issues' than playing this silly game.
I'm giving logical rebuttals to your discussion 'points'.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
I'm
suggesting that you have given zero plausible explanation for not
participating in this newsgroup in UbAgent.
Ah, so /that/ is your actual agenda is it <sigh>.
I don't have an 'agenda'. We are having a conversation; I say things,
you say things. Many of the things you say don't actually make sense to
me because I've been there and done that already.

I've participated in this group in the past using OE. That draws a lot
more flack than Agent because many Windows users disparage OE. Many
linux users who are also windows users wouldn't consider using OE much
less Win98 in the days of XP.
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-03 09:18:24 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Mike Easter
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need with no issues /what so ever/, why would I
want to dump that to go to something unknown that is unlikely to do
the same?
You said you were interested in using Ub.
I am and have so far installed it on about 10 machines for other
people and have it on several machines here.
Post by Mike Easter
If you were actually
sufficiently interested, you would be using it more.
That's your understanding of how I should conduct my life is it?
Post by Mike Easter
You would be able
to adjust to/ cope with/ surmount/ these very very minor little bumps.
And I may well do, in time and with some assistance but I think you
are getting confused between running Linux out of interest /
experimentation and running a dialysis machine.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
What I have done though is install it on several 'spare' machines,
machines I can pick up and use as / when I feel in a playing mood.
Yabbut, it needs to be a lot closer to what you are doing right now and
all the time.
Says whom?
Post by Mike Easter
Over the years when I was doing 99% of stuff in Win98 as I mentioned, I
found various ways to do some stuff in linuxes. First I dual-booted,
but that wasn't convenient enough to suit me.
Ok.
Post by Mike Easter
Next I started 'flipping' with a KVM. I tend to keep my old computers
around for a long time. Right now I am 'surrounded' by old cheap
computers, 2 towers per keyboard/mouse/video.
Ok?
Post by Mike Easter
You don't need to surround yourself, you just need two towers connected
to your one monitor-kb-mouse. Then you can flip back and forth between
windows and ubuntu with wine and agent.
Do I now? Sorry, I seem to have missed where I must do anything of the
sort. ;-)

OK, in case I have misled you or you have misinterpreted my interest
in Linux somewhere along the line. If 10 is 'critical' to my current
needs / life and 0 is not then having Linux as my daily desktop is
probably a 1. It's not 'urgent' as 1) I have no issues with Windows,
2) I don't have that much time to waste (if you expending effort for
no outcome is waste ... I don't intend making a living out of Linux)
and 3) I don't find the CLI stuff intuitive, interesting or rewarding.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
To
that end I installed it on my Wife's PC this morning (because she has
enough spare space on her drive) but she actually can't use it under
Ubuntu (yet) because she uses her PC as a TV and I can't make the TV
card work. Any idea what the solution might be (info in a latter post,
done on Ubuntu using Pan),
I don't even know what the question is yet.
Please see my SAA7130 post.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
you know, if you actually want to help
rather than trying to pick holes in my current choice of OS /
Newsreader? I mean, it's not like I've tried to hide anything is it?
I'm helping I'm helping.
Good lad, you know it makes sense. ;-)
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
If you /need/ to tow a trailer and you haven't got a towbar on your
car it's no use 'in general' and most of us can't afford / justify to
have another car just to do the towing.
No, you get/use one of those bumper-mounted trailer hitch things rather
than no towing.
Illegal in the UK I'm afraid.

But we actually have this with our Ford Ka. We bought it for daughter
to learn to drive and would like to stick a towbar on it so she can
carry her chainsaw carvings about. But you can't fit a towbar to one,
they aren't designed to take one and it would be illegal to tow with
one so it's going to be sold. It is / was good at doing most the
everyday stuff but not as flexible as all our other vehicles that all
do have towbars (including two of our motorcycles)!
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
I would much rather you put up some
viable solutions to my 'issues' than playing this silly game.
I'm giving logical rebuttals to your discussion 'points'.
Yes Mum <g>. However, I'm not sure why you felt the need to rebut my
statements at all, like you didn't just believe what I was saying. I'm
happy to take your advice when it covers how to fix / improve Linux
but am not so keen to be told how I should (or should not) use it.

I am currently using a Mac Mini and it has a 160G laptop drive buried
in it's fragile and difficult-to-upgrade internals. Plus I am not sure
how to clone the drive over to a bigger one and keep all the OSX /
Windows stuff intact (I neither have the time nor desire to be doing
that right now). Plus, I don't think it's particularly wise to be
'experimenting' on your live system, one that's arranging eBay items
and other important stuff.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
I'm
suggesting that you have given zero plausible explanation for not
participating in this newsgroup in UbAgent.
Ah, so /that/ is your actual agenda is it <sigh>.
I don't have an 'agenda'. We are having a conversation; I say things,
you say things. Many of the things you say don't actually make sense to
me because I've been there and done that already.
Fairy muff, but consider how it looks from my side when you suggest my
'arguments' don't add up when they don't have to. Those sorts of
points ("So why aren't you using Ubuntu all the time") only become
worthy of discussion if you feel the need to ask them. They bare no
relation to me resolving technical issues on Ubuntu.
Post by Mike Easter
I've participated in this group in the past using OE. That draws a lot
more flack than Agent because many Windows users disparage OE.
Sorry but I care less about that and didn't think you would either
(you being a 'sensible adult' and all that).
Post by Mike Easter
Many
linux users who are also windows users wouldn't consider using OE much
less Win98 in the days of XP.
I used it for a bit and have no issues 'what so ever' with anyone
using whatever works best for them. That's not to say I won't advise
them of alternatives if they ask or if I believe they may be putting
themselves at risk (like having the layout set with the preview pane
on). However, I have also seen people put the preview pane back on
after I have set it off and then that's their choice.

Oh and as we are back on Ubuntu again <g> yesterday I assisted
daughters b/f taking Ubuntu off under WUBI and installing it properly
in it's own partition. So that was two Ubuntu installs I instigated
yesterday. ;-)

Cheers, T i m
Andy <nospam@>
2010-07-03 10:20:09 UTC
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Post by T i m
I am currently using a Mac Mini and it has a 160G laptop drive buried
in it's fragile and difficult-to-upgrade internals. Plus I am not sure
how to clone the drive over to a bigger one and keep all the OSX /
Windows stuff intact (I neither have the time nor desire to be doing
that right now).
SuperDuper is superb for this purpose.

http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html

It's what I used when I previously ran an old PowerMac.
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T i m
2010-07-03 10:53:25 UTC
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Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by T i m
I am currently using a Mac Mini and it has a 160G laptop drive buried
in it's fragile and difficult-to-upgrade internals. Plus I am not sure
how to clone the drive over to a bigger one and keep all the OSX /
Windows stuff intact (I neither have the time nor desire to be doing
that right now).
SuperDuper is superb for this purpose.
http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html
It's what I used when I previously ran an old PowerMac.
Cheers.

Do you 'know' if it will handle a drive containing a bootcamped OSX
and XP configuration in one swoop? I'd like to just clone this
existing 160G drive onto (say) an external 320G then swap the drives.

T i m
Andy <nospam@>
2010-07-04 03:55:20 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by T i m
I am currently using a Mac Mini and it has a 160G laptop drive buried
in it's fragile and difficult-to-upgrade internals. Plus I am not sure
how to clone the drive over to a bigger one and keep all the OSX /
Windows stuff intact (I neither have the time nor desire to be doing
that right now).
SuperDuper is superb for this purpose.
http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html
It's what I used when I previously ran an old PowerMac.
Cheers.
Do you 'know' if it will handle a drive containing a bootcamped OSX
and XP configuration in one swoop? I'd like to just clone this
existing 160G drive onto (say) an external 320G then swap the drives.
No idea. Last time I used it was several years ago, and I've never had
any use for 'dual-booting' with Windows so I'm not sure how the disk is
structured in that type of setup anyway.

It worked perfectly at creating a bootable clone of a system disk under
10.4.x and 10.5.x though.
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T i m
2010-07-04 04:33:51 UTC
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Post by Andy <nospam@>
Post by T i m
Do you 'know' if it will handle a drive containing a bootcamped OSX
and XP configuration in one swoop? I'd like to just clone this
existing 160G drive onto (say) an external 320G then swap the drives.
No idea. Last time I used it was several years ago, and I've never had
any use for 'dual-booting' with Windows so I'm not sure how the disk is
structured in that type of setup anyway.
Ok ta.
Post by Andy <nospam@>
It worked perfectly at creating a bootable clone of a system disk under
10.4.x and 10.5.x though.
When I upgraded the Mini disk from supplied 60G to 160G (when it was
just 10.4 not dual boot etc) I used DU off the OSX CD to clone the
internal drive to what was going to be the new drive in an external
USB caddy.

Long - short the cloned image failed to boot (millions of 'permissions
errors' etc) when the drives were swapped yet the original (60G) drive
would boot ok in the external caddy? [1]

So I just re-installed OSX from scratch in a 60G partition and then
did the Bootcamp bit after that.

I really don't want to have to install either XP or OSX again, not
because of the OS's themselves but all the licences and little tweeks
I've done along the way that are bound to get lost and have long since
forgotten.

Actually there is a good (free) utility for picking up all yer app
registration numbers etc (inc your actual XP licence code) in Belarc
Advisor.

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

(Might be on interest to those having to run Windows for that odd app
etc).

I'll ask elsewhere re the cloning thing as I believe there is a
process but just not the 'one shot' I was hoping had arrived by now
(like a bit copier)?

Cheers, T i m

[1] I did consider just booting off the existing drive externally if /
when I wanted to go back to the old OSX install and just installing it
afresh on the new internal drive to give me a basic OSX system (needed
for Bootcamp), XP and the room for Ubuntu.
Mike Easter
2010-07-03 08:11:49 UTC
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Post by T i m
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need
What kind of hardware (and project) do you have running XP and OS X?
including the size of that hdd?
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
2010-07-03 08:52:26 UTC
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Post by T i m
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need
What kind of hardware (and project) do you have running XP and OS X?
including the size of that hdd?
Oohh. He's running Mac hardware + OS X hosting with VirtualBox for the
guest XP. So when he runs guest Ub (instead of XP) on that hardware
under VB he doesn't want another layer of 'emulation' with Wine.

I see, I think.
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-03 09:41:49 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need
What kind of hardware (and project) do you have running XP and OS X?
including the size of that hdd?
Oohh. He's running Mac hardware + OS X hosting with VirtualBox for the
guest XP.
<rolls eyes>

No, Mac hardware with Bootcamp running OSX or XP natively.
Post by Mike Easter
So when he runs guest Ub (instead of XP) on that hardware
under VB he doesn't want another layer of 'emulation' with Wine.
I see, I think.
Or not. ;-)

No, I'm running my Linux tests on a C2D 64b Toshiba laptop and that
currently has Vista (as that's what it came with), defaults to U64 and
also has U32 on there. I have Pan under both versions. The one from
the distro under the U32 and the direct download one (as per Mr
Morse's suggestion) under the U64.

So, in the morning I switch on my 'main machine' (this Mac mini) and
it Bootcamps into XP. I check my mail (Thunderbird), newsgroups
(Agent), maybe chat to some people via IM (MSN Live). I might check
the status of the torrents running on my WHS and print / burn a Linux
LiveCD, chat to a mate on Skype and check / setup stuff on my GPS app
and send waypoints to the GPS.

If I am in the mood for playing Linux I pick up the Tosh laptop or the
eeePC Netbook.

/When/ Ubuntu can deal with all my needs then (and only then) does it
become a real /option/. OSX isn't a real option because of the same
lack of a newsreader I like (plus I don't find the window / app, open
/ close thing intuitive).

Cheers, T i m
T i m
2010-07-03 09:22:08 UTC
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Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
But if I have one desktop machine and that happens to only have a
small drive and that drive is currently (happily) supporting XP, OSX
and all the apps I need
What kind of hardware (and project) do you have running XP and OS X?
including the size of that hdd?
Apple Mac Mini 1.5G Intel Solo, 160G, 2G RAM. Currently the XP
partition has 12G free and the OSX about 10G and there would be far
less still if it wasn't for my WHS (currently 1.5TB and fairly full ..
of Linux .ISO images!).

HTH.

T i m
Mike Easter
2010-07-02 22:27:43 UTC
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Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Post by T i m
Post by Mike Easter
Do you have any Ub installed to try Agent and Wine?
Yes, I have and it seems to work ok,
And for you that makes sense, yes. I'm not a developer, have no real
issues with Windows but am seeing if I can find an alternative OS (so
I have a choice) to work as efficiently / easily. In many ways Ubuntu
is already 'better' than Windows, things like the startup speed
(compared with XP especially) and when installing (not something I do
often on my daily machine though) Ubuntu is also (generally) easier
but then there are those things that I can /easily/ get working under
Windows and can't get working /at all/ under Ubuntu (see my later
thread on the TV Tuner card). Part of the reason I can generally get
things working under Windows is because it can be done via the GUI
(intuitive) and because it inevitably comes with the drivers on the CD
(if not auto supported).
This par doesn't explain to my 'satisfaction' (meaning understanding
acceptance as logical) what is keeping you from using Ub + wine/agent to
read and post to this newsgroup 'as we are speaking' right now.
Post by Mike Easter
Post by Mike Easter
Similarly, if you would use Agent under Wine, you would be in linux
instead of Windows.
Understood.
It seems that you are giving flimflam 'excuses' for not ever using Ub.
--
Mike Easter
T i m
2010-07-02 23:49:22 UTC
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Post by T i m
And for you that makes sense, yes. I'm not a developer, have no real
issues with Windows but am seeing if I can find an alternative OS (so
I have a choice) to work as efficiently / easily. In many ways Ubuntu
is already 'better' than Windows, things like the startup speed
(compared with XP especially) and when installing (not something I do
often on my daily machine though) Ubuntu is also (generally) easier
but then there are those things that I can /easily/ get working under
Windows and can't get working /at all/ under Ubuntu (see my later
thread on the TV Tuner card). Part of the reason I can generally get
things working under Windows is because it can be done via the GUI
(intuitive) and because it inevitably comes with the drivers on the CD
(if not auto supported).
This par doesn't explain to my 'satisfaction' (meaning understanding
acceptance as logical) what is keeping you from using Ub + wine/agent to
read and post to this newsgroup 'as we are speaking' right now.
Please see my earlier reply.

Cheers, T i m
Dan C
2010-07-01 13:32:19 UTC
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Dan,
On the subject of Pan ...
You know you kindly suggested I create a rule thing under the Pan that's
currently installed by Synaptic (Can't remember the version and the
laptops not here atm) and that worked quite well for highlighting all
posts less than one day old (in lieu of a 'mark new posts in red'
option).
All was going well then that Morse chap tricked me <g> into 'upgrading'
to a later version of Pan and whilst it works ok in general I can't seem
to be able to apply your scoring / rule in the same way (there doesn't
seem to be a time field).
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
Cheers, T i m
Nope, I don't know. I used that older version of Pan for many years, and
had an extensive score file with it, but never needed to score based on
age of posts. It's been a couple of years now since I used that version
and can't recall much about the particulars.

You might give this page a look:

http://www.slrn.org/docs/slrn-FAQ.html#toc4

It's a 'slrn' document but Pan uses the same syntax for scoring. There's
a chapter in there on Scoring. I'm sure it's possible to do what you
want to do, using a 'regex' expression related to the timestamp of the
posts. You'll have to figure that out yourself, as I don't have the time
nor interest to do so.
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T i m
2010-07-01 15:48:37 UTC
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Post by T i m
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
Nope, I don't know. I used that older version of Pan for many years, and
had an extensive score file with it, but never needed to score based on
age of posts. It's been a couple of years now since I used that version
and can't recall much about the particulars.
Ok, and thanks for the thoughts.
Post by Dan C
http://www.slrn.org/docs/slrn-FAQ.html#toc4
It's a 'slrn' document but Pan uses the same syntax for scoring. There's
a chapter in there on Scoring.
I've had a quick flick through and there's no mention of date related
stuff that I can see.
Post by Dan C
I'm sure it's possible to do what you
want to do, using a 'regex' expression related to the timestamp of the
posts.
Ok, maybe one of the good folk on here who actually like playing with
such things might know or be interested to find out.
Post by Dan C
You'll have to figure that out yourself, as I don't have the time
nor interest to do so.
Nor do I but thanks anyway.

Cheers, T i m
Dan C
2010-07-01 16:54:06 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Dan C
Post by T i m
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
Nope, I don't know. I used that older version of Pan for many years,
and had an extensive score file with it, but never needed to score based
on age of posts. It's been a couple of years now since I used that
version and can't recall much about the particulars.
Ok, and thanks for the thoughts.
Post by Dan C
http://www.slrn.org/docs/slrn-FAQ.html#toc4
It's a 'slrn' document but Pan uses the same syntax for scoring.
There's a chapter in there on Scoring.
I've had a quick flick through and there's no mention of date related
stuff that I can see.
Post by Dan C
I'm sure it's possible to do what you
want to do, using a 'regex' expression related to the timestamp of the
posts.
Ok, maybe one of the good folk on here who actually like playing with
such things might know or be interested to find out.
Post by Dan C
You'll have to figure that out yourself, as I don't have the time nor
interest to do so.
Nor do I but thanks anyway.
Cheers, T i m
If you were to post this scoring question on the newsgroup
'news.software.readers', I bet you'll have the solution in short order.
It's an active NG with very knowledgeable readers.
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T i m
2010-07-01 17:26:06 UTC
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Post by Dan C
If you were to post this scoring question on the newsgroup
'news.software.readers', I bet you'll have the solution in short order.
It's an active NG with very knowledgeable readers.
Ok, I'll give it a crack thanks.

T i m
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