Can't Connect Pan

[m***@home.net]

I am a newbie to Ubuntu.

Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.

I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.

Anyone weigh in?

Please

Thanks

me

[Wildman]

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

Needless to say, double check all the server settings.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.
Needless to say, double check all the server settings.

I always open a browser and see if it connects to prove I have
connectivity at least.. THEN I try to find out what is right or wrong
with the news client.

[m***@home.net]

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.
Needless to say, double check all the server settings.

I'll take a look at that.

Me

[m***@home.net]

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

I see the following:

(I hope I copied it right - I have no printers running yet on the
Ubunto drive)

Error starting URL: failed to execute child process "gnome open" (no
such file or directory) command was gnome open
"http://pan.rebelbase.com")
Loaded data backend in 0.0 seconds
Pan 0.139 started

Any suggestion?
Thanks again
Me

Post by Wildman
Needless to say, double check all the server settings.

[Wildman]

Post by m***@home.net

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

(I hope I copied it right - I have no printers running yet on the
Ubunto drive)
Error starting URL: failed to execute child process "gnome open" (no
such file or directory) command was gnome open
"http://pan.rebelbase.com")

The above entry could indicate the url for the news server
is not valid.

Post by m***@home.net
Loaded data backend in 0.0 seconds
Pan 0.139 started

The above entries are normal and indicate that Pan started
normally.

Post by m***@home.net
Any suggestion?

Try running Pan from a terminal and report any/all errors
received there.

[m***@home.net]

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

(I hope I copied it right - I have no printers running yet on the
Ubunto drive)
Error starting URL: failed to execute child process "gnome open" (no
such file or directory) command was gnome open
"http://pan.rebelbase.com")

The above entry could indicate the url for the news server
is not valid.

I use it right now but in W7. Also W10.

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
Loaded data backend in 0.0 seconds
Pan 0.139 started

The above entries are normal and indicate that Pan started
normally.

ok

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
Any suggestion?

Try running Pan from a terminal and report any/all errors
received there.

How do I do that please.

Me

[m***@home.net]

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

(I hope I copied it right - I have no printers running yet on the
Ubunto drive)
Error starting URL: failed to execute child process "gnome open" (no
such file or directory) command was gnome open
"http://pan.rebelbase.com")

The above entry could indicate the url for the news server
is not valid.

Post by m***@home.net
Loaded data backend in 0.0 seconds
Pan 0.139 started

The above entries are normal and indicate that Pan started
normally.

Post by m***@home.net
Any suggestion?

Try running Pan from a terminal and report any/all errors
received there.

Never mind.
http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Terminal-Window-in-Ubuntu
has it.
Thanks
Me

[philo]

Post by m***@home.net

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

(I hope I copied it right - I have no printers running yet on the
Ubunto drive)
Error starting URL: failed to execute child process "gnome open" (no
such file or directory) command was gnome open
"http://pan.rebelbase.com")

The above entry could indicate the url for the news server
is not valid.

Post by m***@home.net
Loaded data backend in 0.0 seconds
Pan 0.139 started

The above entries are normal and indicate that Pan started
normally.

Post by m***@home.net
Any suggestion?

Try running Pan from a terminal and report any/all errors
received there.

Never mind.
http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Terminal-Window-in-Ubuntu
has it.
Thanks
Me

FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.


If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:18:32 -0500, philo <***@privacy.net> Gave us:

snip

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

What I hate about it is that one wrong move or mouseclick and your
entire post currently being authored gets dumped into lala land never to
be seen again.

[Dan C]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
snip

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

What I hate about it is that one wrong move or mouseclick and your
entire post currently being authored gets dumped into lala land never to
be seen again.

Well in your case that's a good thing.

Bugger off, Win-droid troll.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

This post might be inappropriate. Click to display it.

[Dan C]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by Dan C
Bugger off,

Fuck Off And DIE, retarded PUTZ!

Not gonna happen, doofus.

Bugger off and stop trolling a Linux newsgroup, Win-droid.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by Dan C
Bugger off and stop trolling a Linux newsgroup, Win-droid.

I run Linux and you are the one doing the trolling, you abject idiot
fuck.

[Dan C]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by Dan C
Bugger off and stop trolling a Linux newsgroup, Win-droid.

I run Linux and you are the one doing the trolling, you abject idiot
fuck.

Ummmm.....

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564

Nope. Stop lying, troll. You're not fooling anyone.

Bugger off, Win-droid.

[Dirk T. Verbeek]

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.

I've since ever used Thunderbird for text groups like this one and Pan
for binaries since Xnews started to fail.
It works fine downloading via nzb's but I find the folder structure less
useful for discussions, Thunderbird has that one right.

Post by philo
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

[philo]

Post by Dirk T. Verbeek

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.

I've since ever used Thunderbird for text groups like this one and Pan
for binaries since Xnews started to fail.
It works fine downloading via nzb's but I find the folder structure less
useful for discussions, Thunderbird has that one right.

<snip>



What I find indispensable with Thunderbird is the ability to open tabs.


While I'm composing one email, I can refer back to another that I've
sent or received...and even check newsgroups etc

[bilsch]

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on this
machine only), and find it adequate.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 05/16/2016 03:04 PM, bilsch wrote:

[snip]

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on this
machine only), and find it adequate.

Thunderbird does ask (on a new installation, rather than an upgrade) if
you want to create a new email address. It doesn't make you do that.

[bilsch]

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on
this machine only), and find it adequate.

Thunderbird does ask (on a new installation, rather than an upgrade) if
you want to create a new email address. It doesn't make you do that.

My email address begins with 'king621', New thunderbird wont allow me
any user name other than 'king621' when I try to enter the info for my
news server. You should check it out before you say any more about it.

[Paul]

Post by bilsch

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on
this machine only), and find it adequate.

Thunderbird does ask (on a new installation, rather than an upgrade) if
you want to create a new email address. It doesn't make you do that.

My email address begins with 'king621', New thunderbird wont allow me
any user name other than 'king621' when I try to enter the info for my
news server. You should check it out before you say any more about it.

I have two News servers in this particular setup, and
no email accounts. I see stuff like this.

Thunderbird prefs.js file (a text file)

user_pref("mail.identity.id1.fullName", "Paul");
user_pref("mail.identity.id1.useremail", "***@needed.com");
user_pref("mail.identity.id3.fullName", "Paul");
user_pref("mail.identity.id3.useremail", "***@needed.com");

You could save a backup copy of the file (when TBird is
not running), then edit the file and change your
identity.

There is another section like this. This binds
server entries to "ID" values. One of the servers,
apparently I'm no longer using it.

user_pref("mail.account.account1.server", "server1");
user_pref("mail.account.account2.identities", "id1");
user_pref("mail.account.account2.server", "server2");
user_pref("mail.account.account4.identities", "id3");
user_pref("mail.account.account4.server", "server4");

I'm not seeing any other instances of my name in the
News folder. But you could run a text search on that
tree and check for sure.

Paul

[Henry Crun]

Post by bilsch

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on
this machine only), and find it adequate.

Thunderbird does ask (on a new installation, rather than an upgrade) if
you want to create a new email address. It doesn't make you do that.

My email address begins with 'king621', New thunderbird wont allow me
any user name other than 'king621' when I try to enter the info for my
news server. You should check it out before you say any more about it.

Look at the ceiling; is there a big red arrow pointing down at you?
That means you are going to have *special* problems...

Personally running Tahr, with an updated TB, I have noticed no such problem.
OTOH I'm note affected by Homeland Security.

Possibility: Go to mailinator, open an email account under any name, see if that
changed Thunderbird..
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[philo]

Post by bilsch

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on
this machine only), and find it adequate.

Thunderbird does ask (on a new installation, rather than an upgrade) if
you want to create a new email address. It doesn't make you do that.

My email address begins with 'king621', New thunderbird wont allow me
any user name other than 'king621' when I try to enter the info for my
news server. You should check it out before you say any more about it.

I am using the latest version and
just checked. I can enter any user name I want to for any news server.

If you really want help, let us know from the beginning everything
...step-by step that you are doing.



As I said before, the only thing Thunderbird has changed is a switch to
OAuth2 password authentication.

[Mike Easter]

My email address begins with 'king621', New thunderbird wont allow
me any user name other than 'king621' when I try to enter the info
for my news server.

I'm still trying to figure this out. It seems like an interesting puzzle.

bilsch isn't asking for help, because he is happy with using Pan instead.

[jrg]

Post by Mike Easter

My email address begins with 'king621', New thunderbird wont allow
me any user name other than 'king621' when I try to enter the info
for my news server.

and prior to that he wrote:

"...the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server"

Post by Mike Easter
I'm still trying to figure this out. It seems like an interesting puzzle.

indeed...

[jrg]

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline.

Can you back that up? I'd like to see it.

These is enough crap flying around the internet...

[philo]

Post by jrg

Post by bilsch
I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline.

Can you back that up? I'd like to see it.
These is enough crap flying around the internet...

He just has to be referring to OAuth2 for passwords

I certainly have never had to change my username for anything

[philo]

Post by bilsch

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on this
machine only), and find it adequate.

Thunderbird did not need me to create another username for the news
server, but new accounts now seem to require OAuth2 for passwords rather
than plain text

[Paul]

Post by bilsch

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new homeland
security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use Pan (on this
machine only), and find it adequate.

This prompt is presented on a brand-new installation,
when the tool doesn't currently have any accounts
in place. It offers some "free" accounts, to get
a person started who doesn't know anything about
email.

Loading Image...

And that has absolutely nothing to do with
Homeland Security.

If you have account materials in hand (your ISP
gave you a mailbox), you use that information to
set up Thunderbird. You can click "Cancel" on
any Gandi.net offering.

If you are upgrading Thunderbird from a previous
version, it should keep your account information.
But if you're doing an absolutely clean install,
Thunderbird needs some info from you, to be
set up.

Paul

[philo]

Post by Paul

Post by bilsch

Post by philo
FWIW: Yep Pan looks nice and I understand some people like it...but I
found it way to buggy to work properly. Though it's been around for a
long time, version 0.139 has a long way to go.
If you like experimenting...then sure go ahead...but if you want to use
email and Usenet...I'd just stick with Thunderbird as it works well and
has a lot of very useful features.

I like thunderbird but the latest version wants me to get a different
user name on my news server - probably to comply with some new
homeland security guideline. That's simply not an option. So I use
Pan (on this machine only), and find it adequate.

This prompt is presented on a brand-new installation,
when the tool doesn't currently have any accounts
in place. It offers some "free" accounts, to get
a person started who doesn't know anything about
email.
http://www.nidelven-it.no/documentation/thunderbird/introduction-to-thunderbird/Thunderbird105.png
And that has absolutely nothing to do with
Homeland Security.
If you have account materials in hand (your ISP
gave you a mailbox), you use that information to
set up Thunderbird. You can click "Cancel" on
any Gandi.net offering.
If you are upgrading Thunderbird from a previous
version, it should keep your account information.
But if you're doing an absolutely clean install,
Thunderbird needs some info from you, to be
set up.
Paul

I think I now realize what the OP is doing wrong...he may not have
Thunderbird set to "always request authentication."

[m***@home.net]

I just discovered I can't even get any selections from help on Pan's
menu bar. Small wonder then that I canot get any news groups? Is
this a clue?

Thanks

Me

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
I just discovered I can't even get any selections from help on Pan's
menu bar. Small wonder then that I canot get any news groups? Is
this a clue?

I don't have your same v. of Ub, but my installation of Pan (now back at
0.139 on live Xub 15.10) has an operational Help menu.

If you would like to reinstall your Pan, the Ub software center has a
function to remove the Pan you have installed. Then you can reinstall
it. I seem to recall Synaptic having a reinstall function, but I don't
see that in the software center.

Put Pan in the search function, then select it and remove it. Then
similarly (re)install it.

[m***@home.net]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
I just discovered I can't even get any selections from help on Pan's
menu bar. Small wonder then that I canot get any news groups? Is
this a clue?

I don't have your same v. of Ub, but my installation of Pan (now back at
0.139 on live Xub 15.10) has an operational Help menu.
If you would like to reinstall your Pan, the Ub software center has a
function to remove the Pan you have installed. Then you can reinstall
it. I seem to recall Synaptic having a reinstall function, but I don't
see that in the software center.
Put Pan in the search function, then select it and remove it. Then
similarly (re)install it.

I did it. Same thing.
I uninstalled Pan, reinstalled it, selected it, did nothing but look
at the helps in the Pan menu bar. Nada.
I checked and Google and Amazon work fine (on the web).
Either my Pan canot access web, or there is no help site.

Thanks anyway

Me

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by m***@home.net
I just discovered I can't even get any selections from help on Pan's
menu bar. Small wonder then that I canot get any news groups? Is
this a clue?
Thanks
Me

I'll bet you can boot up a Knoppix live DVD and run the built in pan
client in it and connect.

So you either have removed elements of your Ubuntu install or used a
version of pan not from the ubuntu repo.

Because my pan-in-ubuntu works fine under Ubuntu Studio.

Are you running vanilla Ubuntu or one of the spin-offs?

[m***@home.net]

On Sat, 14 May 2016 07:59:58 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by m***@home.net
I just discovered I can't even get any selections from help on Pan's
menu bar. Small wonder then that I canot get any news groups? Is
this a clue?
Thanks
Me

I'll bet you can boot up a Knoppix live DVD and run the built in pan
client in it and connect.
So you either have removed elements of your Ubuntu install or used a
version of pan not from the ubuntu repo.
Because my pan-in-ubuntu works fine under Ubuntu Studio.
Are you running vanilla Ubuntu or one of the spin-offs?

14.04 LTS
64-bit
Me

The pan came from the Ubuntu choices.

Me

[m***@home.net]

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net

Post by Wildman

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?
Please
Thanks
me

Let Pan try to connect and then click the icon at the bottom
right. That will open the event log. There could be a clue
there.

(I hope I copied it right - I have no printers running yet on the
Ubunto drive)
Error starting URL: failed to execute child process "gnome open" (no
such file or directory) command was gnome open
"http://pan.rebelbase.com")

The above entry could indicate the url for the news server
is not valid.

Post by m***@home.net
Loaded data backend in 0.0 seconds
Pan 0.139 started

The above entries are normal and indicate that Pan started
normally.

Post by m***@home.net
Any suggestion?

Try running Pan from a terminal and report any/all errors
received there.

This is what I think I see:

GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Service Unknown:
The name news.pan.nzb was not provided by any service files
Tell you anything?
Me

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
The name news.pan.nzb was not provided by any service files

Something is wrong with your Pan. There is a 'role' for an .nzb file
for Pan in handling binaries, but that error 'shouldn't be happening'.

I suspect a wrong sourced Pan.

[Mike Easter]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
The name news.pan.nzb was not provided by any service files

Something is wrong with your Pan. There is a 'role' for an .nzb file
for Pan in handling binaries, but that error 'shouldn't be happening'.
I suspect a wrong sourced Pan.

Oops. Disregard this opinion entirely.

I just booted a live Xubuntu 15.10 and installed Pan from its repos
using the Ub Software Center and filled in the credentials for a news
server (not your easynews, I don't have an account there) and Pan
immediately fetched the newsgroup list.

Then I closed Pan and commanded Pan from the terminal.

Pan opened and the terminal showed the same error; so that error is a
bug. My Pan is 0.139. There is a .ppa with 0.140; I might mess with
that for the 'fun of it'.

[Mike Easter]

My Pan is 0.139. There is a .ppa with 0.140; I might mess with that for
the 'fun of it'.

I added the Klaus Vormweg .ppa to the live Xub 15.10 and updated (just
Pan; there were a lot of updates available for the 15.10) and booted
0.140 from the terminal. This booted Pan 0.140 satisfactorily, but
there was a different error in the terminal:

Gtk warning: toggle-expand-thread: missing action toggle-expand-thread

I'll post a message with Pan 0.140 next.

[Mike Easter]

Post by Mike Easter
I'll post a message with Pan 0.140 next.

Pan 0.140 here.

[m***@home.net]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by Mike Easter
I'll post a message with Pan 0.140 next.

Pan 0.140 here.

OK -

I looked at the Ubuntu drive again.
The Ubuntu is 14.04 LTS 64-bit
The Pan is 0.139 from Ubuntu-provided addons (in the software said to
be available).

My Pan info reads like Greek and is::
sexual chocolate (git bf 56508git://git.nome.org/pan2;
x86-64-pc-linux.....

At this early point in my trial using Ubuntu, I can erase and start
all over, but I don't see what I have done wrong. But then,
I am a senior - a hold-over from the big one. So what do I know.
I have emerged from years ago retirement, having used PL/1, Fortran.
Cobol, and Assembly language on mainframes and Basic on terminals.
But you didn't need to know that.


I'd like to solve this before I die - and that is more a consideration
than you might think. I do peer thru over-grown white hairs and have
to hold unsteaday hands.

That said - I appreciate your helps and thanks

Me

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
I looked at the Ubuntu drive again.
The Ubuntu is 14.04 LTS 64-bit
The Pan is 0.139 from Ubuntu-provided addons (in the software said to
be available).

OK. That sounds fine.

Post by m***@home.net
At this early point in my trial using Ubuntu, I can erase and start
all over, but I don't see what I have done wrong.

There's no reason to figure anything is wrong with your Ub, or
maybe/likely not even Pan either. That error seen on the launch from
the command was also seen by my system with a Pan which was working
perfectly fine.

When I configured my Pan with the server's name and port and my
user/pass, the first thing it did was fetch the groups list.

You didn't say what you had observed Pan doing or not doing.

Have you: Edit menu/ Edit news servers - and then setup things for your
news server. I would use the less complex port 119 and corresponding
news server name.

Have you: Edit menu/ Edit Posting profile/ New profile/ complete.

If your configuration for the news server with the user/pass is
satisfactory, you should get the group list so that you can subscribe to
a group. Do you have the group list?

[m***@home.net]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
I looked at the Ubuntu drive again.
The Ubuntu is 14.04 LTS 64-bit
The Pan is 0.139 from Ubuntu-provided addons (in the software said to
be available).

OK. That sounds fine.

Post by m***@home.net
At this early point in my trial using Ubuntu, I can erase and start
all over, but I don't see what I have done wrong.

There's no reason to figure anything is wrong with your Ub, or
maybe/likely not even Pan either. That error seen on the launch from
the command was also seen by my system with a Pan which was working
perfectly fine.
When I configured my Pan with the server's name and port and my
user/pass, the first thing it did was fetch the groups list.
You didn't say what you had observed Pan doing or not doing.
Have you: Edit menu/ Edit news servers - and then setup things for your
news server. I would use the less complex port 119 and corresponding
news server name.
Have you: Edit menu/ Edit Posting profile/ New profile/ complete.
If your configuration for the news server with the user/pass is
satisfactory, you should get the group list so that you can subscribe to
a group. Do you have the group list?

I wish...

I have no group list whatsoever, which I see as critical. It just
seems to hang, saying 'connecting', as if it can't, which seems
probable. If I can't ge that, then I can't go forward.

Thanks

Me

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
I have no group list whatsoever, which I see as critical. It just
seems to hang, saying 'connecting', as if it can't, which seems
probable. If I can't ge that, then I can't go forward.

I suspect you have made an error/typo in your configuration of the news
server.

Here is what it looks like to 'engage' a news server from the
commandline. I won't fetch a news message or get the group list, but I
will just login/authenticate and then quit. Replacing my personal info
with a munge.

$ telnet news.individual.net 119
Trying 130.133.4.11...
Connected to news.individual.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 The server welcomes <munge rDNS>
(munge my IP). Authorization required for reading and posting.
authinfo user <munge>
381 PASS required
authinfo pass <munge>
281 Authentication accepted. (UID=309623)
quit
205 .
Connection closed by foreign host.


You can try that same thing with your easynews like this:

$ telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
Trying 69.16.179.39...
Connected to news.us.easynews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.easynews.com Welcome! (fx36.iad)
authinfo user <your username>
381 PASS required
authinfo pass <your password>
502 Authentication Failed
quit
205 Goodbye
Connection closed by foreign host.


My bogus authentication credentials failed at easynews, but yours should
result in success like mine did above that at NIN.

This page in the manual has instructions but no screenshots. There are
screenshots for an older v. of Pan at individual.net, but they don't
look like your v.0.139 so I won't post that link.

http://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-custom.html#pan-custom-servers
Choose Edit ▸ Edit News Servers and the Servers dialog will appear.
Click on a server name and you can edit or remove it via the buttons.
Click the add button to add another server.

[m***@home.net]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
I have no group list whatsoever, which I see as critical. It just
seems to hang, saying 'connecting', as if it can't, which seems
probable. If I can't ge that, then I can't go forward.

I suspect you have made an error/typo in your configuration of the news
server.
Here is what it looks like to 'engage' a news server from the
commandline. I won't fetch a news message or get the group list, but I
will just login/authenticate and then quit. Replacing my personal info
with a munge.
$ telnet news.individual.net 119
Trying 130.133.4.11...
Connected to news.individual.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 The server welcomes <munge rDNS>
(munge my IP). Authorization required for reading and posting.
authinfo user <munge>
381 PASS required
authinfo pass <munge>
281 Authentication accepted. (UID=309623)
quit
205 .
Connection closed by foreign host.
$ telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
Trying 69.16.179.39...
Connected to news.us.easynews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.easynews.com Welcome! (fx36.iad)
authinfo user <your username>
381 PASS required
authinfo pass <your password>
502 Authentication Failed
quit
205 Goodbye
Connection closed by foreign host.
My bogus authentication credentials failed at easynews, but yours should
result in success like mine did above that at NIN.
This page in the manual has instructions but no screenshots. There are
screenshots for an older v. of Pan at individual.net, but they don't
look like your v.0.139 so I won't post that link.
http://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-custom.html#pan-custom-servers
Choose Edit ? Edit News Servers and the Servers dialog will appear.
Click on a server name and you can edit or remove it via the buttons.
Click the add button to add another server.

You say:

Choose Edit ? Edit News Servers and the Servers dialog will appear.
Click on a server name and you can edit or remove it via the buttons.
Click the add button to add another server.

This is exactly what I have been doing, no more, no less.

Thanks

Me

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
This is exactly what I have been doing, no more, no less.

Sometimes if you just look at the same account to see if it is OK, you
can't see the error.

Then you need to delete/remove the account and start all over and
configure it as a new account from 'scratch'.

I understand your interest in Pan; it is reputed to be much like Forte
Agent (or Gravity) according to the developer.

[m***@home.net]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
This is exactly what I have been doing, no more, no less.

Sometimes if you just look at the same account to see if it is OK, you
can't see the error.
Then you need to delete/remove the account and start all over and
configure it as a new account from 'scratch'.
I understand your interest in Pan; it is reputed to be much like Forte
Agent (or Gravity) according to the developer.

I am using Agent under W7 right now.
Easynews wud not tell me how to connectg via Telnet. So that's out I
guess.

Thanks again

Me

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
I am using Agent under W7 right now.
Easynews wud not tell me how to connectg via Telnet. So that's out I
guess.

Sometimes the telnet connection is useful for troubleshooting some
problems. In your case, you already know that you can access the
easynews nntp server with your Agent, so the telnet exercise isn't very
important.

My understanding is that you know that you have connectivity with a
browser and that you know easynews is working nntp (not just http)
because of Agent.

You are left to 'wonder' whether something is wrong with your Pan or its
integration with your Ub 14.04. The default news agent in Ub is
Thunderbird. I assume that you have 'tested' Tb with your easynews to
demonstrate that you can achieve nntp connection success in your Ub.

[jrg]

On 05/13/2016 04:56 PM, ***@home.net wrote:

<snip>

Post by m***@home.net
At this early point in my trial using Ubuntu, I can erase and start
all over, but I don't see what I have done wrong. But then,
I am a senior - a hold-over from the big one. So what do I know.

Sounds like more than enough to be dangerous. Ubuntu is geared towards
GUI users and pan isn't so it should be no surprise to find conflict.
Since I'm of the same generation as you, I'll take the liberty to ask -
why bother with pan? Do you frequent newsgroups for most of your online
time? I just never carded for it,

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by jrg
Ubuntu is geared towards
GUI users and pan isn't so it should be no surprise to find conflict.

Pan is decidedly very much a GUI interface applet for Usenet, which is
the ONLY text part of it.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by jrg
I just never carded for it,

One has to watch out for the chaff.

[m***@home.net]

Post by jrg
<snip>

Post by m***@home.net
At this early point in my trial using Ubuntu, I can erase and start
all over, but I don't see what I have done wrong. But then,
I am a senior - a hold-over from the big one. So what do I know.

Sounds like more than enough to be dangerous. Ubuntu is geared towards
GUI users and pan isn't so it should be no surprise to find conflict.
Since I'm of the same generation as you, I'll take the liberty to ask -
why bother with pan? Do you frequent newsgroups for most of your online
time? I just never carded for it,

I have subscribed to and used easynews.com for years. I find it
useful. Google searches seem to do as well tho.
I just wanted to continue using easynews when I move to Ubuntu.
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?
zai gien
Me

[jrg]

Post by m***@home.net
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?

Just about any newsreader out there will run under Ubuntu and most email
clients have the ability as well (you're using Forte Agent, an email
clientcombo for windoze) - I've been using Thunderbird since Navigator
days - it does well enough for newsgroups although pan users look down
their noses at it (less filtering ability, more bloat). All the mozilla
mail packages can handle news accounts. Easynews can use any from what
I can see at their website.

You do have an email provider, yes?

[jrg]

Post by jrg

Post by m***@home.net
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?

Just about any newsreader out there will run under Ubuntu and most email
clients have the ability as well (you're using Forte Agent, an email
client combo for windoze) - I've been using Thunderbird since Navigator
days - it does well enough for newsgroups although pan users look down
their noses at it (less filtering ability, more bloat). All the mozilla
mail packages can handle news accounts. Easynews can use any from what
I can see at their website.
You do have an email provider, yes?

I'm sitting here corrected, having just found out pan has a gui
interface - I was thinking of something else entirely - probably tin or
slrn. Also just learned lynx is regarded as a newsreader.
Thanks to all that didn't flame me out...

[Mike Easter]

Post by m***@home.net
I just wanted to continue using easynews when I move to Ubuntu.
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?

The Ub default newsreader is Thunderbird. That is the client that I use.

So far in my exploration of Pan, I find that I cannot get an unthreaded
view. I like to be able to use either threaded or unthreaded.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
I just wanted to continue using easynews when I move to Ubuntu.
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?

The Ub default newsreader is Thunderbird. That is the client that I use.
So far in my exploration of Pan, I find that I cannot get an unthreaded
view. I like to be able to use either threaded or unthreaded.

Sure you can. View -> Header Pane -> [ ] Thread Headers
(..or not, it's a toggle)

[Mike Easter]

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
I just wanted to continue using easynews when I move to Ubuntu.
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?

The Ub default newsreader is Thunderbird. That is the client that I use.
So far in my exploration of Pan, I find that I cannot get an unthreaded
view. I like to be able to use either threaded or unthreaded.

Sure you can. View -> Header Pane -> [ ] Thread Headers
(..or not, it's a toggle)

My pan 0.140 View menu has items:
Show Toolbar
Layout
Group pane
Body pane

[Wildman]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Post by Mike Easter

Post by m***@home.net
I just wanted to continue using easynews when I move to Ubuntu.
Is there another news reader under Ubuntu?

The Ub default newsreader is Thunderbird. That is the client that I use.
So far in my exploration of Pan, I find that I cannot get an unthreaded
view. I like to be able to use either threaded or unthreaded.

Sure you can. View -> Header Pane -> [ ] Thread Headers
(..or not, it's a toggle)

Show Toolbar
Layout
Group pane
Body pane

That is odd. Pan 0.139 has an entry for 'Header pane'.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Post by Mike Easter
So far in my exploration of Pan, I find that I cannot get an
unthreaded view. I like to be able to use either threaded or
unthreaded.

Sure you can. View -> Header Pane -> [ ] Thread Headers (..or not,
it's a toggle)

Show Toolbar Layout Group pane Body pane

0.139: Loading Image...

Ask the Pan people why you don't have it.

[stepore]

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?

Exclude firewall?
Can you ping/telenet to your news servers (on those ports)?
Try another news reader (thunderbird). See if it's an issue with Pan.

[m***@home.net]

Post by stepore

Post by m***@home.net
I am a newbie to Ubuntu.
Got it installed and it looks great. Except I installed Pan so I
could continue to access these newgroups, and Pan doesn't seem to
connect.
I have tried news servers news.us.easynews.com and
secure-us.news.easynews.com and ports 119 and 443. Pan just hangs
trying to connect.
Anyone weigh in?

Exclude firewall?
Can you ping/telenet to your news servers (on those ports)?
Try another news reader (thunderbird). See if it's an issue with Pan.

Oh yes.

TBird works fine with my emails.
So does Google.

Me

[Mike Easter]

I installed Pan so I could continue to access these newgroups, and
Pan doesn't seem to connect.

How did you get/install your Pan?

I recommend that you get it from your Ub repos.

You didn't mention which Ub desktop you are using, which would influence
how to approach the software repositories.

It is best to start your question by giving more details about which v.
of Ub, which desktop, which Pan, and where/how you got it. That makes
it easier for those who would advise you to help you navigate your
particular Ubuntu.

Separate from the question of whether you should 'get rid of' that Pan
in favor of another/different Pan made for your distro, there is also a
Pan manual which you may find helpful once you get going better

http://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/

[m***@home.net]

Post by Mike Easter

I installed Pan so I could continue to access these newgroups, and
Pan doesn't seem to connect.

How did you get/install your Pan?
I recommend that you get it from your Ub repos.
You didn't mention which Ub desktop you are using, which would influence
how to approach the software repositories.
It is best to start your question by giving more details about which v.
of Ub, which desktop, which Pan, and where/how you got it. That makes
it easier for those who would advise you to help you navigate your
particular Ubuntu.
Separate from the question of whether you should 'get rid of' that Pan
in favor of another/different Pan made for your distro, there is also a
Pan manual which you may find helpful once you get going better
http://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/

Thank you
me

[Mike Easter]

Pan doesn't seem to connect.

If I spell the news server name incorrectly, the status bar at the
bottom of the Pan window says 'No connections'.

The same thing occurs if I spell my user or pass wrong.