Discussion:
Torrents, Viruses, and Trojans
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Mary
2007-09-23 18:25:24 UTC
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Hi,

I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Am I too naive?
Mark South
2007-09-23 18:47:05 UTC
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Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
Mary
2007-09-23 19:16:25 UTC
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Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.

2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
John F. Morse
2007-09-23 22:34:46 UTC
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Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the
payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
I can't answer your question because there are several possible answers,
and I wouldn't want you to become angry at me and use unladylike language.

My question to you would be why are you concerned about Ubuntu, when you
are using a P2P downloading program to download Windows files, which are
known to be easily infected?

Probably just another troll, but forgive me if I'm reading you incorrectly.
--
John

No Microsoft products were used in the preparation or transmission of this message.

The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do. The GPL sounds like it was written by a human being, who wants me to know what I can do.
Rich
2007-09-24 02:40:59 UTC
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Post by John F. Morse
Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the
payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
I can't answer your question because there are several possible answers,
----------snip-----------

Huh?! If there are several possible answers why didn't you answer with
just one answer? I bet that you have no clue what you're talking about
therefore I can't understand why you even bother replying??
elaich
2007-09-24 02:47:00 UTC
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Post by Rich
Huh?! If there are several possible answers why didn't you answer with
just one answer? I bet that you have no clue what you're talking about
therefore I can't understand why you even bother replying??
Bye, Wintard.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
John F. Morse
2007-09-24 05:10:37 UTC
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Post by Rich
Post by John F. Morse
Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the
payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
I can't answer your question because there are several possible answers,
----------snip-----------
Huh?! If there are several possible answers why didn't you answer with
just one answer? I bet that you have no clue what you're talking about
therefore I can't understand why you even bother replying??
It's called "probing to get the reader to think."

Since you snipped the message, I certainly don't have a clue NOW as to
what you might be thinking -- if that is the case.

If my reply was not to you, then you shouldn't worry about it.
--
John

No Microsoft products were used in the preparation or transmission of this message.

The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do. The GPL sounds like it was written by a human being, who wants me to know what I can do.
Peter Köhlmann
2007-09-24 09:27:04 UTC
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Post by Rich
Post by John F. Morse
Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the
payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
I can't answer your question because there are several possible answers,
----------snip-----------
Huh?! If there are several possible answers why didn't you answer with
just one answer? I bet that you have no clue what you're talking about
therefore I can't understand why you even bother replying??
Well, he probably should have answered with just one of the possible
answers, and the easiest one at that. Anything else would be way over your
IQ, "Rich" "Mary"
--
The Day Microsoft makes something that does not suck is probably
the day they start making vacuum cleaners.
Ram
2007-09-23 22:48:42 UTC
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Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback
is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
In a windows world yes. Which is what your using by your headers

" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:25:24 -0400
From: Mary <***@example.net>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0 "

We in here use Ubuntu a linux OS which DOES NOT SUFFER the same issues.

Ram
Rich
2007-09-24 02:56:45 UTC
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Post by Ram
Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the
payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
In a windows world yes. Which is what your using by your headers
" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:25:24 -0400
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0 "
We in here use Ubuntu a linux OS which DOES NOT SUFFER the same issues.
Ram
Ram-butt (dick-head is more like it...):

Was the point of your lame contribution to this newsgroup to show that
you can navigate your way in cyberspace? I doubt it. I bet you know
how to spread a virus aaand you are proud of it!
D. Kollaric
2007-09-24 16:47:02 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:56:45 -0400 hit the keyboard Rich/Mary whoever to
*PLONK*


Dragomir Kollaric
--
I like *both* kind of music :-)
Ram
2007-09-28 23:00:35 UTC
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Post by Rich
Post by Ram
Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the
payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
In a windows world yes. Which is what your using by your headers
" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:25:24 -0400
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0 "
We in here use Ubuntu a linux OS which DOES NOT SUFFER the same issues.
Ram
Was the point of your lame contribution to this newsgroup to show that
you can navigate your way in cyberspace? I doubt it. I bet you know
how to spread a virus aaand you are proud of it!
I love you too.

Ram

Mark South
2007-09-24 08:55:18 UTC
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Post by Mary
Post by Mark South
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Is any of that the fault of Ubuntu? Otherwise, a torrent newsgroup seems
more appropriate.
1. Read the message,again, idiot. If you don't have the answer to the
question, you don't have to feel that you are obligated to reply.
2. Why don't you read the torrent newsgroups and when you find the
answer to the question above, come back. Otherwise, fuck-off.
Yes, that confirms that you're exactly what it sounded like you were.

Thank you.
usenet identity
2007-09-24 22:28:58 UTC
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<SNIP>

Wow!

I feel a need here to mention that I have received great help with
*buntu related questions both here and in IRC in the couple of years
that I have been using Ubuntu at home.

Thanks guys for all the help. I wouldn't be doing nearly as well as I am
with it without the help of a great user community.

Ryan
Trevor Best
2007-09-25 07:35:23 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:28:58 -0700
Post by usenet identity
<SNIP>
Wow!
I feel a need here to mention that I have received great help with
*buntu related questions both here and in IRC in the couple of years
that I have been using Ubuntu at home.
Thanks guys for all the help. I wouldn't be doing nearly as well as I am
with it without the help of a great user community.
That's probably because you asked *buntu specific questions, what this
group is actually for, the nymshiting troll of an OP didn't and then
got snotty when told where to actually ask the question.
--
To err is human, to moo bovine.
Andy
2007-09-23 19:23:42 UTC
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Post by Mary
Hi,
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Am I too naive?
Goto settings and instruct Ktorrent to scan the downloaded torrent and
dump it if infected.
Dirk T. Verbeek
2007-09-23 19:46:35 UTC
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Post by Mary
Hi,
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Am I too naive?
I've used torrents to download Linux distributions and a bunch of TV
series but I've so far never received any malware.
I have read many stories about the MPAA's and RIAA's attempting to
pollute the sources but not run into it yet.
Your experience is possibly strongly linked to the type of files you
tried to get...

Anyway, how did you find out running Linux?
Rich
2007-09-24 03:19:16 UTC
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Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback
is infection? Am I too naive?
I've used torrents to download Linux distributions and a bunch of TV
series but I've so far never received any malware.
I have read many stories about the MPAA's and RIAA's attempting to
pollute the sources but not run into it yet.
Your experience is possibly strongly linked to the type of files you
tried to get...
Anyway, how did you find out running Linux?
Well, I can't answer for Mary but my guess is that when you download
Linux distributions, TV shows, and every day downloads, you won't find
malware.

When downloading/sharing commercial applications for windows (I don't
know of any commercial Linux applications), the story is different.
Because of the popularity of some shared windows applications, many of
them are infected, and it doesn't really matter who infects them.

The problem is, when downloading windows applications with Linux, you
won't find anything wrong with them because they only run under windows
so Linux can't detect the malware.

Once you unpack the files under windows, windows can't detect the
malware either. It takes a really good anti virus program to do the job.
I do not yet know of a Linux anti virus program that can detect malware
in such instances.So I guess the logical answer to your question is that
torrent clients such as ktorrent and the like are not really worth having.
Joe
2007-09-24 06:29:25 UTC
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Post by Rich
Post by Dirk T. Verbeek
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback
is infection? Am I too naive?
I've used torrents to download Linux distributions and a bunch of TV
series but I've so far never received any malware. I have read many
stories about the MPAA's and RIAA's attempting to pollute the sources
but not run into it yet. Your experience is possibly strongly linked to
the type of files you tried to get...
Anyway, how did you find out running Linux?
Well, I can't answer for Mary but my guess is that when you download
Linux distributions, TV shows, and every day downloads, you won't find
malware.
When downloading/sharing commercial applications for windows (I don't
know of any commercial Linux applications), the story is different.
Because of the popularity of some shared windows applications, many of
them are infected, and it doesn't really matter who infects them.
The problem is, when downloading windows applications with Linux, you
won't find anything wrong with them because they only run under windows
so Linux can't detect the malware.
Once you unpack the files under windows, windows can't detect the
malware either. It takes a really good anti virus program to do the job.
I do not yet know of a Linux anti virus program that can detect malware
in such instances.So I guess the logical answer to your question is that
torrent clients such as ktorrent and the like are not really worth having.
Windows A/V programs should be scanning all executables when they are
run, so yes, it should catch it.

Also, you are clearly uneducated about what can and cannot run under
Linux. The viruses cannot. Many applications can.

But why in the world would I download Windows programs with Linux, to
install on Windows? If I were using a Windows app, I would get it from
the Windows machine... Just simple logic...
--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
elaich
2007-09-23 21:24:08 UTC
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Post by Mary
Am I too naive?
Yes. Also, your reply downwards in this thread indicates that you are also
a f*cktard.

Linux users don't worry about malware overmuch. Makes one wonder about the
point of this thread to begin with.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Rich
2007-09-24 01:40:23 UTC
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Post by elaich
Post by Mary
Am I too naive?
Yes. Also, your reply downwards in this thread indicates that you are also
a f*cktard.
Takes one to know one? :)
elaich
2007-09-24 02:12:28 UTC
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Post by Rich
Post by elaich
Yes. Also, your reply downwards in this thread indicates that you are
also a f*cktard.
Takes one to know one? :)
What the hell was the point of this? Some newbie posts a stupid thread, and
responds with profanity and personal attacks when the obvious question was
asked?

I now suppose that you are one also.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
jellybean stonerfish
2007-09-24 07:06:00 UTC
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Post by elaich
Linux users don't worry about malware overmuch. Makes one wonder about the
point of this thread to begin with.
I would not use the word worry, but linux users need to be careful where
the get there software also. You may trust the creator of your
distribution, or you would not be running it. But to download random
programs from un-verifiable sources is not wise. Malware could be
included in any program from an untrusted source. Even if it is a .deb or
.rpm file it may contain stuff you do not want to run, but is not the stuff
you think you are getting.

stonerfish
Michael Trausch
2007-09-24 01:37:22 UTC
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Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback
is infection? Am I too naive?
The only naïveté is placing any significant risk in a torrent that you
are downloading to a non-Microsoft Windows platform. GNU/Linux systems
are impervious to the many threats of the Windows world, by and large.

While there have been viruses created for Unix-like systems, they are
largely unsuccessful because of the multi-tiered level of security in a
properly configured system. If you're running Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or
another Unix-like system, there are two things that you must do to keep
your data intact:

1. Run the system without Windows anywhere nearby.
2. Back up your data (usually in your home directory) on a very
regular basis.

Trojan horses have been around for far longer than Windows has been, and
any system can be targeted by trojans. However, malware, and viruses
and the like are not threats that you really need to worry about. If
you're worried about trojan horses, your best bet is to only use
software that you have a means of authenticating. Sticking to that
which is provided by your distribution is a very reasonable option.
Getting your distribution from a reputable source (e.g., directly from
ubuntu.com) is also a reasonable precaution. Downloading a program from
a bittorrent network when you do not have the accompanying source code
for the program, however, is not.

Also, your question assumes that people sharing are sharing without any
ulterior motives; many people share software in the effort of getting
"zombie" machines by spreading software that poses as legitimate
software, but has been slightly modified. If you're in doubt about the
software, then don't use it. I get my software either directly through
my distribution, or as close to the author as I can get to it, and even
then, unless it's something I really need, I don't use it until I know
more about it. Of course, I also distribute some software; Pidgin, an
updated version of Thunderbird, and so forth, in concert with a friend
of mine. However, we provide the alternative of providing enough
information to get started building the software that we're
distributing, too, because we understand that there are people that
might not trust *us* to do that for them.

-- Mike
--
Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
Rich
2007-09-24 02:32:18 UTC
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Post by Michael Trausch
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback
is infection? Am I too naive?
The only naïveté is placing any significant risk in a torrent that you
are downloading to a non-Microsoft Windows platform. GNU/Linux systems
are impervious to the many threats of the Windows world, by and large.
While there have been viruses created for Unix-like systems, they are
largely unsuccessful because of the multi-tiered level of security in a
properly configured system. If you're running Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or
another Unix-like system, there are two things that you must do to keep
1. Run the system without Windows anywhere nearby.
2. Back up your data (usually in your home directory) on a very
regular basis.
Trojan horses have been around for far longer than Windows has been, and
any system can be targeted by trojans. However, malware, and viruses
and the like are not threats that you really need to worry about. If
you're worried about trojan horses, your best bet is to only use
software that you have a means of authenticating. Sticking to that
which is provided by your distribution is a very reasonable option.
Getting your distribution from a reputable source (e.g., directly from
ubuntu.com) is also a reasonable precaution. Downloading a program from
a bittorrent network when you do not have the accompanying source code
for the program, however, is not.
Also, your question assumes that people sharing are sharing without any
ulterior motives; many people share software in the effort of getting
"zombie" machines by spreading software that poses as legitimate
software, but has been slightly modified. If you're in doubt about the
software, then don't use it. I get my software either directly through
my distribution, or as close to the author as I can get to it, and even
then, unless it's something I really need, I don't use it until I know
more about it. Of course, I also distribute some software; Pidgin, an
updated version of Thunderbird, and so forth, in concert with a friend
of mine. However, we provide the alternative of providing enough
information to get started building the software that we're
distributing, too, because we understand that there are people that
might not trust *us* to do that for them.
-- Mike
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good luck
in school... :)
Michael Trausch
2007-09-24 04:20:43 UTC
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Post by Rich
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good
luck in school... :)
Thank you, on all counts.

However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".

http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3

-- Mike
--
Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
jellybean stonerfish
2007-09-24 07:44:04 UTC
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Post by Michael Trausch
Post by Rich
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good luck
in school... :)
Thank you, on all counts.
However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
-- Mike
I would have not went to your link to your homepage or your page on pidgin
if he had not said "Your website looks good too." I also re-read your
post after reading his "thank you". There were over 400 posts in this
group when I started reading it this evening. So I skimmed through
sometimes skipping past the longer ones. His "thank you" made me notice
that your long post may be worth reading fully. I then backed up and
read what you wrote. And I liked what I read.

So what I am saying is his "thank you" was kind of like a link to your
post. A helpful link. He maybe could have trimmed your post a bit before
replying, if that is what you mean.

stonerfish
Michael Trausch
2007-09-25 07:50:40 UTC
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Post by jellybean stonerfish
I would have not went to your link to your homepage or your page on
pidgin if he had not said "Your website looks good too." I also
re-read your post after reading his "thank you". There were over 400
posts in this group when I started reading it this evening. So I
skimmed through sometimes skipping past the longer ones. His "thank
you" made me notice that your long post may be worth reading fully.
I then backed up and read what you wrote. And I liked what I read.
I am glad you did. Sometimes, my posts---anywhere---tend to get quite
lengthy, and I can understand the tendency to sometimes skip over really
long posts when trying to weed down the reading list. Sometimes,
there's simply too much out there to read...
Post by jellybean stonerfish
So what I am saying is his "thank you" was kind of like a link to
your post. A helpful link. He maybe could have trimmed your post a
bit before replying, if that is what you mean.
Indeed. I periodically re-read the RFC myself, just to make sure that I
am still doing the things that I should, personally. It can get rather
easy to forget sometimes. It certainly couldn't hurt for some others to
read the RFC occasionally, either, from what I see in my travels on
Usenet and other places.

-- Mike
--
Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
Trevor Best
2007-09-25 18:15:11 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:50:40 -0400
Post by Michael Trausch
Indeed. I periodically re-read the RFC myself, just to make sure that I
am still doing the things that I should, personally. It can get rather
easy to forget sometimes. It certainly couldn't hurt for some others to
read the RFC occasionally, either, from what I see in my travels on
Usenet and other places.
Arrrr but they be more like guidelines than actual rules, welcome
aboard the Black Pearl Miss Turner.
--
To err is human, to moo bovine.
Michael Trausch
2007-09-27 07:17:39 UTC
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Post by Trevor Best
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:50:40 -0400
Post by Michael Trausch
Indeed. I periodically re-read the RFC myself, just to make sure that I
am still doing the things that I should, personally. It can get rather
easy to forget sometimes. It certainly couldn't hurt for some others to
read the RFC occasionally, either, from what I see in my travels on
Usenet and other places.
Arrrr but they be more like guidelines than actual rules, welcome
aboard the Black Pearl Miss Turner.
Indeed. But it does make sense to stick to the guidelines.

-- Mike
--
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Mark South
2007-09-27 07:42:41 UTC
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Post by Trevor Best
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:50:40 -0400
Post by Michael Trausch
Indeed. I periodically re-read the RFC myself, just to make sure that I
am still doing the things that I should, personally. It can get rather
easy to forget sometimes. It certainly couldn't hurt for some others to
read the RFC occasionally, either, from what I see in my travels on
Usenet and other places.
Arrrr but they be more like guidelines than actual rules, welcome
aboard the Black Pearl Miss Turner.
ITYM "Black Perl" ;-)
Trevor Best
2007-09-25 21:48:09 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:50:40 -0400
Post by Michael Trausch
Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
One of my Windows using buddies was able to not crash long enough to
hold a conversation so I was able to use Pidgin at last, worked well :-)
--
To err is human, to moo bovine.
Michael Trausch
2007-09-27 07:18:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Trevor Best
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:50:40 -0400
Post by Michael Trausch
Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
One of my Windows using buddies was able to not crash long enough to
hold a conversation so I was able to use Pidgin at last, worked well :-)
Excellent. :-) I am glad that it's working out for you. I use it
pretty constantly, and so does Brian (the guy that I am working with in
these backports), so if we find issues we try to get them fixed and out
quickly.

-- Mike
--
Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
MikE Campbell
2007-09-24 20:31:48 UTC
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Post by Michael Trausch
Post by Rich
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good
luck in school... :)
Thank you, on all counts.
However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
What a fuckin miserable cunt you are.
Peter Köhlmann
2007-09-24 22:34:59 UTC
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Post by MikE Campbell
Post by Michael Trausch
Post by Rich
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good
luck in school... :)
Thank you, on all counts.
However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
What a fuckin miserable cunt you are.
Well, what a contrast you are...

Apparently, using windows and posting to linux groups, insulting people as
you go along, seems to be one of your pastimes
--
Windows is just the instable version of Linux for users who are too
dumb to handle the real thing
MikE Campbell
2007-09-25 14:37:21 UTC
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Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by MikE Campbell
Post by Michael Trausch
Post by Rich
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good
luck in school... :)
Thank you, on all counts.
However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
What a fuckin miserable cunt you are.
Well, what a contrast you are...
Apparently, using windows and posting to linux groups, insulting people as
you go along, seems to be one of your pastimes
Stop posting off topic rubbish please Peter. You obviously havn't read RFC
1855.
Michael T , the advocate of it has though. He just wants it to be adhered to
by others and not himself as he happly goes off topic and perpetuates
breaking his beloved RFC's !!!
Peter Köhlmann
2007-09-25 15:14:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by MikE Campbell
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by MikE Campbell
Post by Michael Trausch
Post by Rich
Very nice explanation. Thanks! Your website looks good, too! Good
luck in school... :)
Thank you, on all counts.
However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
What a fuckin miserable cunt you are.
Well, what a contrast you are...
Apparently, using windows and posting to linux groups, insulting people
as you go along, seems to be one of your pastimes
Stop posting off topic rubbish please Peter. You obviously havn't read RFC
1855.
Michael T , the advocate of it has though. He just wants it to be adhered
to by others and not himself as he happly goes off topic and perpetuates
breaking his beloved RFC's !!!
In other words, you need to address someone who was very civil and good
mannered in his tone as a "fuckin miserable cunt"

Yup. Figures. That seems to describe you yourself very well. Although the
real "fuckin miserable cunts" might be insulted then
--
Warning: 10 days have passed since your last Windows reinstall.
Michael Trausch
2007-09-25 07:52:56 UTC
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Post by MikE Campbell
Post by Michael Trausch
Thank you, on all counts.
However, you may wish to read RFC 1855, "Netiquette Guidelines". We can
all use refreshers on that every now and again, as well. Of particular
use in this scenario for you would be the section titled "One-to-Many
Communications".
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
What a fuckin miserable cunt you are.
Hrm. Too bad you didn't read the RFC. At least good newsreaders still
have support for killfiles. Unfortunately, mine has filters. Not quite
the same, but still effective... see ya.

-- Mike
--
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Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
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D. Kollaric
2007-09-25 19:46:36 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:31:48 +0100 MikE Campbell hit the keyboard to
produce the following:

<cut>
What a f..........
*PLONK* again,

Guess a troll found this NG....


Dragomir Kollaric
--
I like *both* kind of music :-)
Rich
2007-09-24 01:49:05 UTC
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Post by Mary
Hi,
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Am I too naive?
Only you can answer the last part.

Many torrent files - for windows - ARE infected and being distributed in
a peer=to-peer fashion. Someone mentioned earlier that you will not
find such files infected for Linux. The reason you don't find torrent
files for Linux infected is because there are no mainstream commercial
files for Linux worth infecting :(
elaich
2007-09-24 02:13:17 UTC
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User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824)
I get it now, WinTard.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Michael C.
2007-09-24 06:23:14 UTC
Permalink
On 24 Sep 2007 02:13:17 GMT,
Post by elaich
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824)
I get it now, WinTard.
I realize this is a waste of electrons, but you do realize the user
agent you just quoted appears to be running on a NIX variant, not
windows.

Michael C.
--
***@verizon.net http://mcsuper5.freeshell.org/

If we work together we share together.
Snowbat
2007-09-24 17:57:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael C.
On 24 Sep 2007 02:13:17 GMT,
Post by elaich
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824)
I get it now, WinTard.
I realize this is a waste of electrons, but you do realize the user
agent you just quoted appears to be running on a NIX variant, not
windows.
You do realize that "Mary" and "Rich" are posting from the same IP
address? Looks like a dual-booting troll to me.
--
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Hadron
2007-09-24 18:26:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snowbat
Post by Michael C.
On 24 Sep 2007 02:13:17 GMT,
Post by elaich
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824)
I get it now, WinTard.
I realize this is a waste of electrons, but you do realize the user
agent you just quoted appears to be running on a NIX variant, not
windows.
You do realize that "Mary" and "Rich" are posting from the same IP
address? Looks like a dual-booting troll to me.
Not that that alters in anyway that elaich made a booboo. It's probably
mlw2st again.
Michael Trausch
2007-09-24 04:43:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich
Only you can answer the last part.
Many torrent files - for windows - ARE infected and being distributed in
a peer=to-peer fashion. Someone mentioned earlier that you will not
find such files infected for Linux. The reason you don't find torrent
files for Linux infected is because there are no mainstream commercial
files for Linux worth infecting :(
There are plenty of mainstream executables and programs that are worth
infecting---for any nameable operating system that has users.

Viruses on GNU/Linux systems face many challenges in a properly
configured system. If you are using a system as a user and for example
grant yourself unlimited (and password-less) privileges to use "sudo",
you create a path that can be exploited by any virus. Remember that one
of the key pieces of functionality for a computer virus is the ability
to replicate. If you are running as a normal user, and your system is
properly buttoned down, the probability of a single computer virus
getting very far in terms of replicating is quite small. At most, one
user, on one system, will be affected, and other users will be insulated
from the effects of that virus because the virus is already contained
within the user's environment.

The most damage a computer virus for a Unix-like system can do is
limited to the most damage that a real user of the system can do. If a
user regularly runs as the root user, then it's quite likely that a
virus could take advantage of this and cause the system to act all sorts
of crazy.

However, this is not the case in the default configuration on many
distributions. This is generally accepted to be a good thing, because
there are far many more reasons that one should not regularly run as the
root user. There's just far too much potential to really screw things up.

Trojan horses, on the other hand, tend to be more of a concerted and
directed effort to compromise systems. They are not computer viruses,
because they do not tend to replicate, and because computer viruses are
small, efficient programs that do their jobs and nothing more. If a
cracker-type wants to get into an organization, one potential way to do
it is create a situation where the system administrators would be
tricked into accepting software that they think is coming from a
reliable source, but really has subroutines built into it to transmit
data back to the cracker-type that wants to get into the system.
Otherwise, the program can appear to be perfectly functional.

This can be done in any number of ways. Let's say that the Free
Software Foundation forgets to pay their annual renewal for their web
site's domain names, and someone else buys the domain gnu.org. They
might already have a completely crafted mirror of the GNU software, but
instead of the software being an exact mirror, every piece of software
contains added "functionality" that causes each program to (a) log when
it is run, (b) log all user input that passes through the program, (c)
log any transactions that are run with the program, and (d) send that
information over the Internet (most likely through an encrypted
connection to an SSL-enabled web server or an SSH server) so that they
can benefit from it.

Such distribution of trojans would be short-lived, because it would be
quickly detected. Likely, there would be all sorts of litigation in the
issue, as well, being that these actions would cause harm to the Free
Software Foundation, by harming the reputation of the GNU project.
There are, of course, other ways to plant trojan horses that are far
simpler and do not seem to require as much of a paranoid mind to come up
with. Imagine someone who merely modifies a very popular product used
in the mainstream, such as MySQL or PostgreSQL, packaging it very
conveniently and distributing it via Bittorrent. They could easily
insert code that would log and transmit, for example, all SQL queries
run on the server and the entirety of the datasets that are returned for
each query. Of course, to avoid this, it helps to only download
distributions of such software from the person, group, or business that
created the software, and to audit any extra patches before applying
them to the source tree.

Ubuntu handles much of this for us; this is a good thing. Of course, by
accepting the work that Ubuntu does on the system, we are basically
putting our trust in them that they won't do things like turn MySQL into
a trojan horse. The truly paranoid have the source code available to
build their own packages, if they do not extend such trust to the Ubuntu
developers. This is the great thing about free and open source
software. You do not have this option on Microsoft systems, and what's
more: some fundamental uses of the system (at least up through Windows
XP) require granting far more than the least amount of possible
privilege to the user. If Microsoft Windows could be audited at the
source code level, and if the system didn't require such a strange
security model to run all but the most trivial of software, these issues
might even disappear within Windows; trust in Microsoft would not be
required, and trust would be required to be earned by Microsoft.

So, the reason that you don't find programs for Linux that are infected
is actually two-fold: (a) programs that are "infected"---say, posing as
trojan horses---are likely to be very carefully crafted so that they
only raise suspicion in those who are able to read the source code, and
willing to do so, and (b) because in order to create such "infected"
programs, a significant amount of work must be done. It's far easier to
simply target Windows systems, because not as much work needs to be done
to break into the system. Just create a specially crafted DLL using
Visual Basic that a program can link to at run-time, assume (mostly
correctly) that the user is going to run the program with Administrator
privileges, and also (again, mostly correctly) assume that users aren't
going to notice, and you have yourself a veritable schload of data.

-- Mike
--
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Pidgin 2.2.0 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty!
(And Thunderbird 2.0.0.6, too!) http://www.trausch.us/pidgin
Joe
2007-09-24 06:24:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mary
Hi,
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it
is? Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
Am I too naive?
You need a better source. But not to worry, none of those viruses will
hurt your linux box. Just keep them away from windows! ;-)

I have never gotten a virus from a torrent, but I stick to membership
only sites, so the uploaders are all known. I wouldn't trust any
downloads from untrusted sources...
--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
Trevor Best
2007-09-25 18:24:54 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:24:57 -0500
Post by Joe
I have never gotten a virus from a torrent, but I stick to membership
only sites, so the uploaders are all known. I wouldn't trust any
downloads from untrusted sources...
Yeah, bloody MGM lawyers on my back again, I only downloaded the pilot
for a TV series that had already aired, most of it is on youtube anyway,
bunch of cnuts :-(
--
To err is human, to moo bovine.
Moog
2007-09-26 09:29:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Trevor Best
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:24:57 -0500
Post by Joe
I have never gotten a virus from a torrent, but I stick to membership
only sites, so the uploaders are all known. I wouldn't trust any
downloads from untrusted sources...
Yeah, bloody MGM lawyers on my back again, I only downloaded the pilot
for a TV series that had already aired, most of it is on youtube anyway,
bunch of cnuts :-(
Seriously? Haven't you got the peer filters set up to block the known
IP addresses? I know both Azureus and Ktorrent can do it. I believe
MGM's servers are well known
--
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."
Trevor Best
2007-09-26 17:23:16 UTC
Permalink
On 26 Sep 2007 09:29:49 GMT
Post by Moog
Post by Trevor Best
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:24:57 -0500
Post by Joe
I have never gotten a virus from a torrent, but I stick to membership
only sites, so the uploaders are all known. I wouldn't trust any
downloads from untrusted sources...
Yeah, bloody MGM lawyers on my back again, I only downloaded the pilot
for a TV series that had already aired, most of it is on youtube anyway,
bunch of cnuts :-(
Seriously? Haven't you got the peer filters set up to block the known
IP addresses? I know both Azureus and Ktorrent can do it. I believe
MGM's servers are well known
This was few years ago just after I had heard of bittorrent, I wasn't
prepared for anything, bit of a n00b at that.
--
You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.
Stan Laurel
Moog
2007-09-26 20:46:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Trevor Best
On 26 Sep 2007 09:29:49 GMT
Post by Moog
Post by Trevor Best
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:24:57 -0500
Post by Joe
I have never gotten a virus from a torrent, but I stick to membership
only sites, so the uploaders are all known. I wouldn't trust any
downloads from untrusted sources...
Yeah, bloody MGM lawyers on my back again, I only downloaded the pilot
for a TV series that had already aired, most of it is on youtube anyway,
bunch of cnuts :-(
Seriously? Haven't you got the peer filters set up to block the known
IP addresses? I know both Azureus and Ktorrent can do it. I believe
MGM's servers are well known
This was few years ago just after I had heard of bittorrent, I wasn't
prepared for anything, bit of a n00b at that.
You mean you're not *still* a n00b? I am.
--
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."
Moog
2007-09-24 11:36:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mary
Hi,
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was
very disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were
infected with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that
the way it is?
Yes. It most certainly is the way it is.
Post by Mary
Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback
is infection?
People want to share things because they can, and also the "free"
versions of paid for software lead to kudos amongst the cracking
fraternity.

Others want to share for varying reasons including infecting large
amounts of computers with trojans. They can then do anything from using
someone elses machine to spam, to completely taking control of it.
Post by Mary
Am I too naive?
Yes. I think you are.

If you are downloading windows apps, then run them through a virus
checker (Clamav for instance), if you are downloading movies, mp3s etc
then you should be fine. Other things such as linux distros tend to be
"properly" shared. It's rare to find a tampered with version of a
linux iso file.
--
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."
MikE Campbell
2007-09-23 22:21:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mary
Hi,
Hi !
Post by Mary
I installed Ktorrent and likewise the Torrent Bar in Firefox. I was very
disappointed to discover that 4 out of five torrent files were infected
with Trojans, viruses, and other types of malware. Is that the way it is?
Not my experience. But it looks like yours is like that.
Post by Mary
Why would anyone want to share anything if the payback is infection?
What did you share that infected you?
Post by Mary
Am I too naive?
No, more clueless i would say!
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